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Top are Swift A-Frames
Bottom are jackets from normal soft points.



Solids recovered from elephants


Trophy Bonded Bear Claws.
416 caliber and 270 caliber.



Damaged Walterhog bullet. Parts of it seem to have sheered off completely. We thing there was a fault in th material that caused it.

It was fired at a buffalo bull at about 200 yards. It went through his heart, tearing it to pieces, and was lodged under the skin on the other side. The bull ran less than 20 yards and died.




Walterhog bullets



Barnes X. 375 caliber and 270 caliber.


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That's a lot of deceased animules..!!! clap
 
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Are all of those .375s from one of Walter's trophies?
 
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Thanks for the pics Saeed. They represent a huge amount of experience in bullet performance on game animals.

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That little lot must have created quite a mountain of Biltong!!

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Saeed,

It looks like quite a few of the Barnes solids show some bending at the canalure. Did you see any indication that these bullets were tumbling?

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I have no sure way of telling that any tumbling has occured with the solids.

But, the Walterhog bullets that have not expanded at all sure have.

But, they usually penetrate the whole width of a buffalo.

Wwe have found them on the oppiste side under the skin.

Generally this happened when the bullet has hit a tree on the way. It then hits the buffalo sideways, and still penetrate completely to be found under the skin on the opposite side.


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Saeed,

If you are interested in trying to make the Walterhog maintain its expanded frontal area there are two ways you could probably do it.

the easiest way would be to anneal the bullet.

this will make it more ductile and less likely to fracture off the Hollow Point.

If you do anneal the bullet, be sure to moly coat it as you do now, as it will be quite alot softer and more likely to coat the barrel with copper if not moly coated.

Also be sure to reduce your starting load or powder as the bullet will probably expand to fill the bore much faster than an un-annealed bullet.

Then work back up to your normal velocity.

Second way to maintain frontal area of expanded bullet would be to swage the hollow point as the new Nosler E tip and Barnes appear to do. this will make a much larger HP with a thicker, triangular shaped base to the interior profile of the HP.

this will require a 60 ton press and precision dies.

Im sure Walter could do that for you!

On second thought, maybe just try and anneal them! Smiler

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Darn it Saeed you have busted my bubble, I thought all bullets especially the perfection claimed Swifts and Barnes X expanded into picture perfect mushrooms 110% of the time, I've been had!!~ and I'm in a state of depression! pissers

Jokeing aside, the spine of a buffalo or large animal will wreck havoc on any bullet, soft lung tissue normally won't even tear up a Sierra....


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Saeed, very interesting pictures.

Looking at all the expanding bullets, and knowing the velocities you drive them at it looks like to me that the Trophy Bonded did the best job of big expansion AND holding together.

Question:

Baised on the actual bullet wounds in the animal, which of these bullets do you consider to do the most damage?

And do they all travel in a straght line ie. do not have unexpected direction changes in the animal?


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I have all the bullets deviate from the straight.

The Bear Claws 416 started off at 2500 fps.
The 270 started off at 3100 fps.

The worst damage done on an animal I have seen was done by our own Walterhog bullets that actualy fall apart. Like the one I have posted above.

Another one hit a buffalo bull in the shoulder. It did not even penetrate into the chest cavity.

But, the shoulder bone was turned into jelly-like state. The bull could not wal, and found it hard to stand up.


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The worst damage done on an animal I have seen was done by our own Walterhog bullets that actualy fall apart. Like the one I have posted above.



The finer points of terminal ballistics. One would expect the opposite. But they performed better than the others.


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This is the buffalo shot with that bullet pictured above which has lost the front half.

The bull was walking about 200 yards away. You can see where it hit him, and what it did to his heart.


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This one was also shot in the heart, and the bullet lost its petals, after causing some serious damage.


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The conclusion I draw from the photos of the softs is that my contention that Partitions and Swifts can't be beat is indeed correct.

One can claim that the fragmenting petals of the mono's do considerable damage but that is the whole basis of the Partition design, the lead core separating and doing great damage.

The Swifts expand to a large diameter which is what they are suppose to do, and I have never had one fail (fragment).

If you shoot 'em in the right place, they never fail either!


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