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Andy Cooper

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BigBob

If it were me, I'd buy a 375 first and once you assimilate to the recoil, buy a 416. You can always use the 375 as a second rifle.

375's: CZ 550 & Mod.70 (a couple models incl. the SS variation) are probably the cheapest contolled round feeding, reasonable quality rifles. They'll have a few bugs to work out.

416's: Same + the Ruger.

I haven't heard that a 375 isn't big enough for any game in any African country, but that may be true.

Will

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Originally posted by Will:
I haven't heard that a 375 isn't big enough for any game in any African country, but that may be true.

Will

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Tanzania just made the 375 H&H the minimum,this year, instead of the 9.3X74R. Since Kenya closed, no country, I'm aware of, has banned the 375 H&H for dangerous game! That would be absolutely insane, with the 375 H&H being the all time favorite chambering in Africa.

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The 416 Rem. is a more versatile round than the 375 H&H in that it will propel a 400 gr. bullet at the same velocity the 375 shoots a 300 gr. for all practical purposes...It will shoot a 300 gr. or 350 gr. at the same velocities as the 375 will shoot a 250 gr. or 270 gr. bullets...It is simply a more powerfull round. Even the father of the 375 H&H, Finn Aagard admitted the 416 Rem was probably the best for the "all around title"

I have both and I believe the 416 to be the most versitile of all rifles...but at the expense of more recoil, considerably more in MHO....

I am a great 375 H&H fan, but it is neither fish nor fowl....Too small for Buffalo, Elephant and too big for plainsgame...
The only problem with this 375 H&H theory is the damn gun has worked perfectly on everything I have ever shot with it!!!!!!!! Ain't that the pits.

I suppose the answer to your question is that it makes little difference unless the recoil factor comes into play and then a muzzle brake can solve that.

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

For me the M70 Winchester in .375 H&H makes up into a trimmer rifle than the Chay Zed (and I have both and have hunted in AFrica with them).

The .375 H&H will do all that you want to do. The .416 Rem will do more of it at a cost of more recoil and higher pressure.

I would tell you to get the Winchester M70 in .375 H&H, especially since you favor the M70 already. You will be happy with it.

jim dodd

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If you go with Winchester, by all means look the rifle over before you buy it. I have seen excellent looking Winchester Classics on dealers shelves. If you order through a dealer, you might save yourself a headache by bringing a flashlight, magnifying glass, and some dummy rounds to his shop.

H. C.

I've spent the last month on the phone with him trying to get a workable Mod 70 Safari Express.

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Rick.

The CZs are a bargain at $600-625 so you really can't go wrong. Buy the 375 and shoot the heck out of it. If you are like me you'll end up with both:-)

I was. I'm going through his supervisor this round. Bob conveyed a frustration that the kind of defects I was seeing were showing up too often but that the manufacturing arm of the company wasn't doing anything to improve matters. I'm trying the route of having the gunsmiths in Product Service fix the problems rather than have the factory ship me another rifle.

Your posts on the other thread gave me an idea about a test I should do on replacement rifle #3. (I would never put up with this crap if I could shoot right handed). Have you read John Sweeney's book (Gunsmithing: Rifles)?. In the chapter on buying a used rifle, he suggests putting four taps into the scope mounting screw holes. They should all line up in a row if the holes were drilled and tapped correctly. I can't believe I'm having to worry about the holes being drilled incorrectly at the factory. If the taps additionally line up with the open sights on the barrel, I think I've got a good chance at being able to zero a scope. This will be an important test for me, since I'm not planning on mounting a scope right away.

H. C.

Again, smart hunters use pre 64 win. and Mauser 98 custom rifles. Considering the cost of Safari, not a bad deal..

What I am saying is todays factory rifles, yes even the CZ, require a lot of additional work as they come off the assembly line...I don't shoot any of them, wouldn't own one. The bean counters have sabotaged the industry....

All my bolt guns are original FN's, 98 Mauser customs and Pre 64 Winchesters or pre 64 customs...I think thats a better route for the serious hunter...Remember one nice functional gun is better than a dozen pieces of junk.

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

H. C.

It is very accurate. I have 3 shot groups that touch each other using 400 grain bullets. After the first 3 shots, the groups start to suffer, the shooter being the problem as the recoil is VERY hard to ignore.

I am working up some 350 gr loads and plan to use it for my plains game rifle as a 350 gr bullet at 2670� is 2.11" high with a 200 yd zero.

Jim

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Originally posted by Tanoose:
Which rifle do you guys reccommend for either caliber, i thought i had setteled on buying the 375H&H but now am thinking on the 416 remington magnum. was thinking about the winchester model 70 classic safari express, and i also like the ruger but the winchester model 70 is a rifle i have always wanted . what other type of rifles are out there of good quality, and controlled feed. Thanks Dave

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