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Let's say that a guy had an old friend who moved here from East Bumicrap in the 1960's and years ago gave him a bunch of boxes of old stuff that the first guy put in his garage and forgot about. Years later the old friend moves to West Crapistan and dies with no family and no assets. The original guy cleans out his garage and finds the boxes and opens them and finds what he thinks is a Unicorn skin. Let's just say that the unicorn is known as critically endangered and you would never get permission to own or import it's skin now. What can the guy do legally with this unicorn skin? He doesn't want to sell it or even own it and he doesn't want to go to jail. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | ||
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Have a neighbor or MIL you don't like? | |||
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If it was a more up to date situation, S(hoot) S(hovel) and S(hut up)!!!! Realisitically, if it is a trophy from a species that can no longer be hunted, owned or impported, get rid if it. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Move out of California...... . | |||
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Well as luck would have it, I too faced this exact hypothetical problem. I lived in South NoMan's Land, at the time, currently a part of Californistan. I "opened" the abandoned trunk of a recently deceased distant relative and found, not one, but three Unicorn Skins, in various stages of preservation. Unfamiliar with the various laws pertaining to Unicorns, many enacted by people who knew even less than I, I proceeded to blunder into a "sting" operation. The Gendarmes promptly seized the "U.S." (Unicorn Skin) and swept me, in a befuddled state, into the oil laden gearcase of a supposed "Justice System". The process, though unenviable in duration and scope, finally yielded little of questionable value, and less of any signifigance. After a long period of time, and careful not to reveal the other U.S.'s I had safely squirreled away, I proceeded down a more expedient path reqarding disposal. I reached out to some local cartel members (Known as gang members at that time) and arranged a trade of sorts. No more clandestine affair had ever been attempted since the "Bay of Pigs" debacle. In the end, after much consternation and attendant speculation in setting a reasonable "Trade Price", I ended up with a two kilo bags of "Baby Powder". Thankfully sans Baby, and two nubile young femmes of questionable morals and even more questionable lineage. After a long year of attending to their needs individually and in tandem, I resigned my self to fond memories of the U.S.'s and a rather obscene collection of polaroid pictures, well worn with too much handling, by half. So in the end, I offer you these words of little value. Drop the U.S. off at Goodwill, the Salvation Army or another charitable institution of your choice. It will save you large financial sums, more valuable time in avoiding a "life Lesson", and many doctors visits to be cured of what has now been termed "social disease(s)". Trust me there is nothing "social" associated with their properties, except for the nature of their acquisition... Now if the skins had ony been accompanied by the horns... | |||
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See if a natural history museum might want it and can do the necessary to have it transferred. Regards | |||
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From stupid laws to ridiculous laws and finally laws that make everyone a criminals! It truly boggles the mind! | |||
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Unicorns skins were tracked to Russian Lost World in the middle of Chukhots Sea, hidden from humanity by thick fog for millions of years where main spigot of mother of all oil is hidden. That is what Mueller is ultimately after... " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I offer no advice, but with only 72 posts I really think that Ngruma should participate more!! | |||
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We as hunters, are getting to the point in time that we need to get CITES documents in order, for items that fall under CITES over site, that we brought into America prior to the need for documentation. Having a unicorn skin that legally came into America prior to the need for documentation is not a crime. It is just an issue that should be addressed, with documentation put in order prior to doing something with it. Call someone like John Jackson or Robert & Rosella Quartarone. They can get you lined up with the proper documentation to make everything legal for yourself or heirs going forward. | |||
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Well, not wanting the skins but not wanting to see something so rare or valuable simply rot away, I’d contact a good lawyer and ask him to make inquiries of an appropriate museum which would be interested in obtaining them, perhaps for the cost of the legal fees. One degree of separation, via lawyer/client privilege, should be enough. | |||
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Right. Trouble is we have idiots in charge, like burning tons and tons of ivory, as if it will magically bring all the poached elephants all back to life. Instead of using that money to actually do something useful to protect the elephants currently living! | |||
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Well, I suppose the UA would be treated just like "Ivory", you can't sell it interstate only intrastate. And as it looks like the US are are in West Crapistan, you could not even give them any without permission from Gov. Moonbeam. Just hypothetically. | |||
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In order to get to get more relevant information, thanks to you people who have provided serious answers, I thought that I'd add a little more theory. Let's assume the "guy" is not concerned about California, it's more about the federal issues. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Get them to the Museum of Natural history. Denver has a big fine one. There's guys on here from there that 'might' just accept an unmarked pkg for christmas and could/would lay it on their doorstep. OF course, the local gendarmes would call the bomb squad and make a big deal out of it in the papers. IF I was in such a possession I'd find a way to donate it to them. "hey, inherited this old trunk these US were in. I don't want them, but, I know they're too valuable to destroy. At the time they were obtained they were legal." see what they'd have to say. Good luck, George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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Your friend should declare the unicorns as antiques inherited by a past distant family relative. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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1. I may be faced with a similar situation regarding ivory that a sibling has in his possession. It was legally brought into America pre 1975 (I believe was the year of CITES documentation requirements.) There should be no problem showing provenance with photos and family members statements, to get the proper documentation. 2. A few years ago an acquaintance was at my house for a party and saw the trophies. He lived in India in the 50's-70's. His neighbor who had shot dozens of tigers and leopards had given him a tiger skin. The acquaintance didn't care anything about the skin and it was in a box in a family members house for decades. The acquaintance asked if I wanted the tiger skin and I said sure if I could legally take possession. I contacted USFW and laid the story out. The person I talked to acted like it wasn't a big deal and they handle situations like the one described above occasionally. Unfortunately, my acquaintances family member had thrown away the tiger skin some ten years previously, so nothing came out of the effort. Realize that people die daily. Family members and friends are forced to deal with "unicorn skins" all of the time. Most people know nothing about laws as they deal with these problems. We as international hunters know just enough about the laws to get scared that we are in violation of the Lacey Act by being put in the situation of successor trustee/guardian/heir/etc. If you don't want the unicorn skin then toss it. If you want to keep it then don't be scared. Just be truthful and explain the situation. You may have to jump through a couple of hoops and pay someone like John Jackson or Robert Quartarone if you want a third party to handle the paperwork for you. I am not an attorney. Since you are asking a "Purely hypothetical question" I am responding with a "Purely hypothetical answer"  | |||
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In as much as some hunter killed it prior to deregulation, which is a fact as presented so contact USF&W. Tell them you intend to have it preserved (mounted) and at some point perhaps donate it .... Keep the box and record of the circunstanses and all pertinent data, and not make a big deal out of it.. might consult a lawyer at some point.. The Govt would have to show intent and its just not there as far as a criminal prosecution......Thats what Id do..but its a to each his own situation.. Seriously I doubt that anything would come of it.. Of course you could just keep quite and burn it and that would be foolish IMO... I see the worse case scenario is they might have cause to legally cease it..That would have to be decided by the courts. Oh yeah, and the Govt. would have to prove its a Unicorm, and they could not, so your home free!!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Thanks everyone for the input. Let's say that the "unicorn" skin is a taxidermied (is that a word?) rug of a complete animal, does that change anything? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Probably not. The unicorn has long been dead, when he was legal to hunt. But, according to some stupid politicians, he is still alive and kicking!  | |||
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I am a lawyer and I have rooms in my house and office full of unicorn hides and teeth, all legally killed and imported by me. I love my children and will one time soon have to invest several hours of work into advising them, as my legatees, on what they may legally do with these unicorn artifacts after I die. I hope to meet in Hell those that will have made this work necessary. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I would call John Jackson as they are lawyers and can help navigate this. | |||
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Mike, I hope you don't meet them in hell. Not a good place for folks, even lawyers.... | |||
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It’s okay. All of the most interesting people will be there. And I’ll bring plenty of marshmallows. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Call the office of Devin Nunes or Kevin McCarthy. Don't give your name. Record the conversation. Tell them what you have and ask what to do with it. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Thanks, but I don't have anything. This is purely hypothetical. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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