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It seems that every time I get a good fair chase Bison ranch to book for the owners get greedy and start selling more Bison than they have, and it becomes put and take, feed hay, and the hunts turn into shoots....I won't do that, so once again I am in search of a fair chase Bison hunt to book hunters on...Anyone know of anything. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | ||
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Ray- You might call Rob Arnaud who handles Turner's properties. He is in Gallin Gateway, MT. 406-763-4235. For the last 4 or 5 years they have been agressivly advertising their Bison hunts with highway signage.It may be worth a shot. | |||
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Turner's hunts thru Arnaud is pretty much a put and take opperetion. They have a trophy hunt but it truth it's not much of a hunt. You simply get to drive round the ranch instead of shooting one in a 60 or so acre fenced field. JMO but this is not a real hunt. It is a great way to get some excelent meat but is little more than going to the store. Same it true for the other ranches I know of. Sorry I can't be of any help. I wish you luck Ray but I think you will find this pattern will continue. The money is in letting people shoot their buffalo not hunt them. The opperators overhead is much less and thus the profit is higher. With the difficulty of getting buffalo to market it is mostly small operators and they simply don't have the ground to make it fair chase. The big ranches like the double D (Turner's) are about making money and as much as possible. Hunting in it's true sense is not a priority | |||
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I'll check on this one place near Jordan Valley, Oregon. A few years ago I was helping the owner out. I would turn the bison out on 6,500 acres of deeded ground with a lot of terain features. A few folks bitched that the hunt was too hard, so that could be a good sign. Once the bison are out of a herd and on their own they immediately turn into whitetail deer in their habits. Amazing how something that big can disappear into sagebrush so well. The biggest problem was getting those animals into the stock trailer without adequate sized pens and sorting gates. That and trying to cut the tags off their ears without getting killed. Shit, I can't believe I never got my arm broke in half. Anyway, when the clinic got busy and I wasn't around to do the work/take the risks Matt went back to pasture shooting. I'll see what's up, and check around the area. lawndart  | |||
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To heck with fair chase when it comes to yummy bison. But I do want to shoot it myself. What is the best price for a meat bison, bull or cow? I already have the Comstock Lodge bull shoulder mount and have purchased a good cow soft tanned robe, and have a couple of skull mounts to boot. I want best price for best meat, anywhere in the lower 48. I don't like being babied around on a pretend hunt. I would rather shoot a fish in a barrel. I have skinned water buffalo with the help of a sidekick, have knife, gun, truck and coolers, will travel, dead of winter preferable, so I can load it and go without the need of bloodying up any freezers. Of course a frontend loader and some chains at the farm is always looked upon favorably, as would be a chainsaw. I do love that bison meat.  And please no "OT" comments, this is Grand African Ray's thread. Don't move this thread!  | |||
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The cows make for better table fare. If all you want is to shoot a bison for meat, I know a guy up in the Hill Country near Kerrville that has several on his 400+ acre patch of ground. He does all the field dressing and cleaning. Since I've highjacked Ray's thread enough, if anyone is interested in the info., shoot me a PM. | |||
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I've been looking for a fairchase bison hunt for years, the only options I have come up with are to keep applying for the draw in Utah or go to the Yukon and those can't be imported. | |||
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Check out the Thousand Hills Bison Ranch http://www.thbison.com in southern Colorado. They hunt free range bison on something like 60,000 acres. Never huned it myself, but have heard good things about it. I shoot my bison on the Twin Pines Ranch by Wheaton Wy. I can take a young cow for about $650 and get to keep all the meat and the hide. Beautiful ranch and good people. A bison every 2 years goes a long ways towards filling the freezer. Cheers Mac | |||
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4UR ranch in Ft Pierre, SD run by the Hoek family is where Table Mtn runs their bison hunts...the ones where you get the head,skull, hide for $ XXX. Not much of a hunt with Scott more a drive around the ranch an pop one behind the ear with a rifle out the truck. BUT!!!! Contact the ranch on your own bypass Table Mtn. and you can arrange for a better than average bison shoot by yourself. Kay will allow you to have access to their 60,000 acres with ranch personel along to pick out your bison. The 60,000 acres are busted up into several large (1000s acre tracks by fence not 100 acres size) depending on age class of animals. I did exactly this in 2001 killing a nice 2 1/2 yr old meat bull with my BC1871 45-70 for $1250 and kept the entire animal; ranch personel came out picked up the bull with a tow truck then hauled it back to their plant and skinned an split it in half. I paid .43/# to have it cut up and vac sealed /froze. Then put it in a chest freezer in the bed of my Pickup for the drive home. I buy a bison heifer each fall for the meat....no more expensive than good beef an better for my heart. cats | |||
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Have any of you guys in the east either found a ranch with good meat bison, or had the meat sent back? I'm struggling w/the cost, but driving cross-country is not an option. Thanks. | |||
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Bill there is a bison ranch on rt 30 just west of Schellsburg, Pa. I know they sell meat but I don't think you can shoot it, also I know nothing about the quality of the meat. I do know they are kept on small pastures. | |||
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Cats, Thanks for that rundown. Having spent last year in SD working, I drove around SD, NE, CO, and MT a bit on the weekends. I know the drill. Yummy. | |||
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Bill C I have bought bison heifers in SD and had the meat shipped home frozen freight 2nd day ..."ABOUT" 300# cost ABOUT $200 IF I remember correctly. There are plenty of online sites in the east to buy bison meat but it is VERY expensive to do it like that...$5/# of burger,etc. most of the smaller operations will not sell you an entire animal at a fair price as they make more $ selling choice cuts online. In Punxetawny, Pa there is a bison farm that will sell you the entire animal. Though you must have a standing order for one and when a dry cow or another cull animal comes available they will call you. I've bought it there for $2.10/# hanging weight by the whole animal little more by the half and more yet by the 1/4. A 1 yr old heifer gives you ABOUT 250# of boneless meat ready for the freezer ( I just got one last month) Cats PS Bill: Majestic World Lodge near Altoona Pa ( do a Goggle) will give you a "hunt" fore a cow bison around $1500 for the entire animal $2500 for a bigger bull | |||
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This has what to do with AFRICAN BIG GAME HUNTING? Moderator! Moderator! He is posting about something not related to Africa!!! Now isn't that just silly? | ||
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they let Ray get away with anything | |||
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look Ray is old...he is lucky if he can find his car let alone the right forum...so cut him some slack...  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Ray, Don't know if this is what you are looking for, never hunted there. Looks interesting, staying in tipis and hunting with the old guns... http://www.hawes.org/hunt Mad Dog | |||
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You can hunt a free roaming herd in BC with an outfitter that charges about what they charge in the Yukon ... and the BC herd is importable. If you really want to do this you can also put in for Arizona's "House Rock" herd which is also free roaming. To my knowledge both Utah and Arizona auction tags as fundraisers but the price will be about what you would pay for the outfitted hunts in the Yukon or BC. You can also hunt the bison that roam out of Wood Buffalo National Park in Alberta. These are importable as they are Wood/Plains crossbreeds. Hope this helps. JohnTheGreek | |||
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John, I'm not looking for a hunt, I am looking for an outfit to book for that has free roaming buffalo and fair chase to offer on large holdings... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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