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I'm just getting tired of the unwarrented attacks that keep occuring here.

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Originally posted by AEI:
Canuck, No In have no "beef" with anyone. I do think AR is a shithole of bad advice run by a bunch of groupies that follow a sacred cow. I do not doubt your experiences, In fact you seem very sincere. But look at all the glowing BS publicity Ray got. Even when selling hunts and guns that were flat out BS. Saeed is still trying to prop Rays rump up and make it smell good. Now being an articulate, intelligent guy don't you really feel its fair to say that a client who pays his own way might have a totally different perspective than someone who gets a free ride? Secondaly JJ makes it clear he thinks contracts are worthless. Just my 2.5 cents but there goes a big old red flag. On top of that JJ has said before don't expect to go to his camp chase one or two animals and then just pay the daily rate and fee for that animal. Call me confused but if I head out to camp, see a record book Kudu and decide to spend my whole ten days looking for him instead of chasing some mixed bag of leftovers as the client thats my choice. If there is a different rate for that and there is no contract then how do I know what I'm going to be charged? My only point is that there is a place for everyone. Make damn sure you do your research and don't go just because you read it on AR. Finally I would steer well clear of any outfitter who listed AR on his web site as a reference source!

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Originally posted by Canuck:

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Originally posted by AEI:
Canuck, No In have no "beef" with anyone. I do think AR is a shithole of bad advice run by a bunch of groupies that follow a sacred cow. I do not doubt your experiences, In fact you seem very sincere. But look at all the glowing BS publicity Ray got. Even when selling hunts and guns that were flat out BS. Saeed is still trying to prop Rays rump up and make it smell good. Now being an articulate, intelligent guy don't you really feel its fair to say that a client who pays his own way might have a totally different perspective than someone who gets a free ride? Secondaly JJ makes it clear he thinks contracts are worthless. Just my 2.5 cents but there goes a big old red flag. On top of that JJ has said before don't expect to go to his camp chase one or two animals and then just pay the daily rate and fee for that animal. Call me confused but if I head out to camp, see a record book Kudu and decide to spend my whole ten days looking for him instead of chasing some mixed bag of leftovers as the client thats my choice. If there is a different rate for that and there is no contract then how do I know what I'm going to be charged? My only point is that there is a place for everyone. Make damn sure you do your research and don't go just because you read it on AR. Finally I would steer well clear of any outfitter who listed AR on his web site as a reference source!

AEI, it sounds like you do have a beef. With Jim and me in this instance at least, and maybe others.

First off, lets be clear...this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with Ray Atkinson.

Second, you say you do not doubt my experiences and that I seem sincere, and yet you cast doubt on the references given by those on this thread that have been on hunts they didn't pay for. As near as I can tell, I am the only one on this thread that your statement could apply to. All of the other respondants here so far are not moderators of this site, and to the best of my knowlege (having hunted with all but Muletrain), paid their own way. Therefore, you are obviously calling into question MY credibility. While I might agree in theory that there could be a difference in perspective between one who pays his own way and one who doesn't, it isn't necessarily so. My opinions and experiences are posted here as I saw them or as they happened...good, bad or indifferent. My integrity is not for sale.

Last, Jim/Landalani did not comp my hunt, and no discounts were given in exchange for advertising or anything like that. My safari was paid in full as far as the agent/outfitter is concerned. The situation I was in is nothing like cats' references to outdoor writers and outdoor show hosts.

While I agree with you in your issue about hunt contracts, I don't agree with, or like, your style. I have read almost all of your 75 some odd posts, and they are all intended for shit disturbing or denigrating someone or something.

Since you decided to cast aspersions my way, and given that my identity has been made known here many times in the past and can be seen in many locations here, I have one small request....why don't you do us the honor of identifying yourself? Or maybe at least let us know what your prior identity here was? It is clear that you have been around here longer than your registration date would lead one to believe.

One more thing...if you really think AR is a shithole, why do you waste your time here?

Sincerely,
Canuck

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Canuck:
you say you do not doubt my experiences and that I seem sincere, and yet you cast doubt on the references given by those on this thread that have been on hunts THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR.

AEI;
OOOOPS So you admidt that you didn't pay for your own hunt!



Canuck;
Therefore, you are obviously calling into question MY credibility.



General cencesus:
YUP. You are a bright one.



Canuck:
While I might agree in theory that there could be a difference in perspective between one who pays his own way and one who doesn't, it isn't necessarily so. My opinions and experiences are posted here as I saw them or as they happened...good, bad or indifferent. My integrity is not for sale.



AEI;
Well that seems subject to interpretation. You seem to think Ray is a stand up guy and I think thats in no small part due to the fact that Saeed thinks Rays a swell guy, Did Saeed pay for your hunt at Landelani? HMMMMM. How do you spell Integrity ? $$$$$$.



Canuck;
Last, Jim/Landalani did not comp my hunt, and no discounts were given in exchange for advertising or anything like that. My safari was paid in full as far as the agent/outfitter is concerned. The situation I was in is nothing like cats' references to outdoor writers and outdoor show hosts.



AEI;
I don't believe that I ever said or inferred that it was. Nice side show but that dog won't hunt.



Canuck;
While I agree with you in your issue about hunt contracts, I don't agree with, or like, your style. I have read almost all of your 75 some odd posts, and they are all intended for shit disturbing or denigrating someone or something.



AEI;
Awwww Now come on, Thats not true. I was just expressing my ever so humble opinion. I think you meant to say you have to agree but it really pisses you off that someone pointed out the very obvious truth.I'm weally sorry you don't like me though.


Canuck;
Since you decided to cast aspersions my way, and given that my identity has been made known here many times in the past and can be seen in many locations here, I have one small request....why don't you do us the honor of identifying yourself? Or maybe at least let us know what your prior identity here was? It is clear that you have been around here longer than your registration date would lead one to believe.

AEI;
Another typical AR sideshow. I do not have any other identity here and never have. Back to your old tactics of denegration and insults. That seems to work well for you. I am AEI the same as I have been on every post I have ever made here. Period. This is an intersting thing you point out Canuck. I say that because its the very reason I would NEVER accept an internet forum as a reference. You could have 15 different posts by what looks to be 15 different posters and they could all be the same person.


Canuck

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Originally posted by Canuck:
AEI...you can't possibly be serious!?

What exactly is it that you are trying to accomplish here? It appears to me that you are just trying to goad me into a scrap. You won't do it that way...your arguments above are childish at best, and anyone that knows me from this site can spot the errors in every one of your "sound bites" above.

You should really try reading other people's posts more carefully. I really have no idea where you have come up with this stuff.

Sincerely,
Canuck