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I caught a Tracks Across Africa show last night where the hunter in the Save bagged a leopard and lion. I believe he got the leopard on the first or second night. Then they showed film of a lion roaring next to camp, which they drove out to view and film. It was a very nice lion with a significant mane. The hunter decided to take an unused lion tag and they hung bait etc. for 3-4 days. They eventually bagged a male lion which they stumbled across while driving around. Did anyone else see this? Do I recall accurately? It seemed to me.....the leopard was a smaller sized male. And the lion they bagged either looked young or genetically had little or no mane. He had just a few tufts around the ears. The hunter seemed satisfied. I wondered if I would be disappointed after seeing the nice maned lion, to bag one with little mane. I would like to know if anyone else who saw it thought the lion taken was too young, or typical for Save and a god lion? I'll bet the hunter dropped a pretty penny on a hunt of a lifetime, and others may have passed on the lion as not a trophy they wanted to take. How did the leopard look to other observers- a young male? A good trophy? Anyone else have input? ______________________________ "Are you gonna pull them pistols,...or whistle Dixie??" Josie Wales 1866 | ||
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It looks like that same episode will run on Sunday afternoon. Did the client's rifle fail to feed or jam while shooting the lion? | |||
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I did not have any expectations of big or small mane. Didn't know what they grew in Tanz before I got there. The experience of the hunt more than made up for the less than MGM mane. Taking a very large battle scarred older male more than made up for it. Last day with 10 minutes of light left. I'll take that over a shaggy do any day. Dutch | |||
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I'll rewatch it, but yes I did. I believe they were hunting in the Zambezi valley rather than the Save for starters. Secondly I didn't really pay extra attention, but the leopard seemed like a nice male to me. Thirdly yes there was a huge difference in the qualities of the two lions. The first was magnificent and the second was spotily maned at best. the mane developement made it look rather on the young side. It may have never grown a good mane, but I do believe it was probably a younger lion. My guess (guess being the operative word) is 4-4.5 years old. Rather hard to age a lion on "hoof" from a distance when you come up on him while tracking......I would imagine. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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As Brett said, it was in Chewore - Mwanga (sp?) camp. I think this episode aired ealier in the year also. Mark Valaro is a well respected (although young) PH and I don't think he advised the client to shoot a young anything. Others more knowledgable than me can comment on the lion's mane. The client started off in the episode rather nonchalant, but I think at the end, he did a commendable job realizing that all the team, especially the trackers, made his hunt a success. | |||
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Could be wrong, but I don't think the hunt was in the Save. I believe it was in the Zambezi Valley. Will J. Parks, III | |||
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Zambesi Valley usless I didn't hear right and used my just placed it there. Told wife while we were watching it that I thought the leopard was small. Regards the lion, I have probably shot my last one, but my thought was he may a well have shot a female. However, I recognize that in today's world a lion is a lion and a lot of money is involved to walk away from one, mmane or no mane | |||
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I watched the show today and saw nothing wrong!! The hunter seemed like an "actual hunter" as opposed to some who frequent the show. He took a Leopard, Lion, Bushbuck, Buffalo, Kudu and seemed very happy with his experience. I guess some on AR still tend to downplay a productive, successful and wonderful hunt for this gentleman, by jumping up and piling on the too small, too young crap according to their standards? WOW!! The show was nicely done as always the case with Tracks and my hats off and congrats to the hunter involved. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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Agreed Larry. However I don't see any problem for calling the lion what it was....youngER. It was not an old lion. We know enough about lion biology and conservation to know that isn't a great thing for lions. That said it was a legal lion in Zimbabwe and if the hunter was happy good for him. I do agree it was another good episode and congrats to the hunter. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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The show took place in Chewore North in Mwanja Camp and I believe both cats were taken in or around the Mwanja River... Valley leopard are not as large in body as lowveldt cats and any mature leopard tom taken during legal hunting hours is a trophy in my book. The lion in the area are normally sparse in mane. They kill some cats with nice hair but the lions I saw there were what I have always heard refered to as "bush" lions. Big cats, not alot of mane. Seemed a decent size lion to me. Cats are sometimes territorial... sometimes just moving through, so catching up with the same lion isn't a given. That's why it is hunting. I am sure Dave can weigh in if he is around and not in the bush as we speak... On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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Guy's, The hunter was Mr. Don Snyder. A very good man and it was his first African hunt. He has hunted sheep all over the world and really does enjoy the "hunt" more than anything. He was in fact very happy with his animals, and another inside detail is that his luggage was lost and he had to use the PH's rifle as well. Many things went wrong getting there but the hunt became a success. Below are pictures of the cats he harvested. The pictures are not very good quality and were taken buy one of my taxidermists while they were installing the scene and animals. Yes we already have them mounted and they were installed in his trophy room 2 weeks ago. Many thanks to Andy Hunter, of Zimbabwe dip & pack for being so efficient in getting trophies out of Zimbabwe. As most of you know we have a 3 month turn around from date of deposit so here is a true example of how quickly you can be enjoying your trophies after they are hunted. As for the age of the cat's, I could only speculate, but you can judge for yourself that they are nice sized and very beautiful. The lion was certainly not the one that was in camp the night before, but it is a very large bodied and scared up warrior... Enjoy....DAN     | |||
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Excellent trophies! | |||
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Dear lord that man is my freaking HERO. Look at all those sheep! I don't know who this guy is, but I want to be like him when I grow up. Awesome, thanks for sharing. ----------------------------------------- "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. -Henry David Thoreau, Walden | |||
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Lordy, somebody has invested a lot of time and energy to kill that many nice rams. No wonder this was his first safari, he's been living on the mountain for decades. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Wow!!! What a collection of sheep!!! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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If he is happy with the cats he took, so am I. 465H&H | |||
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He is a sheep man, so the lion was more than enough. | |||
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