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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
It's pretty simple: in Zim you can legally shoot a tuskless elephant (which is technically a trophy elephant but there is no trophy unless you want the skin/feet etc) for about $10K incl 7 days. Has to be TL without dependent calf. These are supposed to come off the CITES quota but I doubt they do, unless the hunter exports something. Other than that there is no such thing (legally) as a non-trophy elephant hunt. But in practice what happens is the operators do a deal with the local parks officials to shoot their "meat" quota elephant and everyone is happy. Again about $10K. These are younger bulls or broken tusk bulls or cows. PAC is off limits to foreign hunters, the operator (usually his appie) is supposed to take care of this problem, although again there have been some unofficial PAC hunts where the trigger got pulled and nobody was the wiser. This is normally a night hunt. Then finally there have been many cases of illegal elephant "non trophy" hunts some conducted INSIDE the national parks. These have, in many cases, been sanctioned by corrupt local game dept officials. But I think that has stopped more or less after a 90lb elephant was shot in Hwange on a "cull" hunt and then the hunter bought the tusks at the Parks auction.

Now due to all these shenanigans the US has banned importation of elephant trophies from Zim. So now the Zim operators are offering discounted trophy hunts and calling them non-trophy. In other words the elephants get shot anyway, the price is reduced, and the skin/tusks stay in Zim (presumably property of the operator since it's his quota).

All elephant meat is consumed, except poached elephant where the carcass is left to rot.

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
It's pretty simple: in Zim you can legally shoot a tuskless elephant (which is technically a trophy elephant but there is no trophy unless you want the skin/feet etc) for about $10K incl 7 days. Has to be TL without dependent calf. These are supposed to come off the CITES quota but I doubt they do, unless the hunter exports something. Other than that there is no such thing (legally) as a non-trophy elephant hunt. But in practice what happens is the operators do a deal with the local parks officials to shoot their "meat" quota elephant and everyone is happy. Again about $10K. These are younger bulls or broken tusk bulls or cows. PAC is off limits to foreign hunters, the operator (usually his appie) is supposed to take care of this problem, although again there have been some unofficial PAC hunts where the trigger got pulled and nobody was the wiser. This is normally a night hunt. Then finally there have been many cases of illegal elephant "non trophy" hunts some conducted INSIDE the national parks. These have, in many cases, been sanctioned by corrupt local game dept officials. But I think that has stopped more or less after a 90lb elephant was shot in Hwange on a "cull" hunt and then the hunter bought the tusks at the Parks auction.

Now due to all these shenanigans the US has banned importation of elephant trophies from Zim. So now the Zim operators are offering discounted trophy hunts and calling them non-trophy. In other words the elephants get shot anyway, the price is reduced, and the skin/tusks stay in Zim (presumably property of the operator since it's his quota).

All elephant meat is consumed, except poached elephant where the carcass is left to rot.

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address the country wide communal conflicts that rural farmers have with elephants

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
It's pretty simple: in Zim you can legally shoot a tuskless elephant (which is technically a trophy elephant but there is no trophy unless you want the skin/feet etc) for about $10K incl 7 days. Has to be TL without dependent calf. These are supposed to come off the CITES quota but I doubt they do, unless the hunter exports something. Other than that there is no such thing (legally) as a non-trophy elephant hunt. But in practice what happens is the operators do a deal with the local parks officials to shoot their "meat" quota elephant and everyone is happy. Again about $10K. These are younger bulls or broken tusk bulls or cows. PAC is off limits to foreign hunters, the operator (usually his appie) is supposed to take care of this problem, although again there have been some unofficial PAC hunts where the trigger got pulled and nobody was the wiser. This is normally a night hunt. Then finally there have been many cases of illegal elephant "non trophy" hunts some conducted INSIDE the national parks. These have, in many cases, been sanctioned by corrupt local game dept officials. But I think that has stopped more or less after a 90lb elephant was shot in Hwange on a "cull" hunt and then the hunter bought the tusks at the Parks auction.

Now due to all these shenanigans the US has banned importation of elephant trophies from Zim. So now the Zim operators are offering discounted trophy hunts and calling them non-trophy. In other words the elephants get shot anyway, the price is reduced, and the skin/tusks stay in Zim (presumably property of the operator since it's his quota).

All elephant meat is consumed, except poached elephant where the carcass is left to rot.

Thanks Russ and much appreciated.

To purchase an elephant tag here is in the region of $14,000 before mark up or any other fees or costs. What I am looking at is to address the country wide communal conflicts that rural farmers have with elephants and an avenue to sell a quota of non trophy/non export animals that can bolster the coffers of a community and to compensate farmers with cash and meat.

Basically cheap elephant hunting that addresses communal conflicts.

Something like that.

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
PAC been done by a foreigner is illegal in Zim - however we are advertising it now as non trophy or PAC BUT what we are doing is utilizing our trophy quota ( thanks to been unable to sell them due US f/Wildlife ban) which now makes it legal.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Certainly a win win option imo. Hunter gets a cost efficient hunt and the community get something extra out of an inevitable outcome whilst introducing the outfitter in to the communal area thus introducing incentive to protect an interest.

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Originally posted by Safaris Botswana Bound:
Well presented Russ , as you know we are working on legal ways to address problem elephant hunting in Botswana as well , as at today I have sent a proposal to the authorities on a suggestion for directors permits for elephant in Botswana based on meetings with the department of wildlife and the department of Agriculture, this is also on top of the rumours that elephant hunting may be restarted in Botswana in the near future , we will keep you all posted.

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Originally posted by fairgame

A very affordable and different sort of hunt for those who want to wield a big stick during the months of April and May.

A win win situation for Governments, Communities, the Outfitter and the sportsman.

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Can anyone point me towards some research or qualified info/statistics etc relating to non trophy elephant in Zim? I am looking at another income & meat benefit for my community and want to put together a proposal to the powers that be.