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Curious as to how many of you out there work in the field as PH's for dangerous game and what back up rifles you pack. How often are you required to use them during a season. Take good care, Dave | ||
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I carry either a 475#2 or a 500 Jeffery's depending on which one I brought, once in a blue moon my Lott, but I prefer the 500. I have used it twice on ele, one wasn't needed but the client asked if I would back up her shot, the other time, the clients first shot was bad and he couldn't get back on target quick enough with the second. On buff, used it 5 or 6 times, once thru the eyeball of a "dead" one. Lion, never needed one, leopard same (luckily I've never had to track a wounded one that was alive). Never hunted rhino, so I can't say there. In all of my hunting, the one animal I have had to back up the client on more than any other is the bushbuck. That is one bad assed little dude. More tenacious than any buff that I've hunted! Hair, not Air! Rob Martin | |||
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Tough little buggers aren't they. When your trackers look scared it is time to take the safety off.  | |||
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Not to hijack the thread, but when i shot my bushbuck this past June and he ran into the reeds, I could see the relief in the youg PH's face when the tracker said "he's down!" jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I wonder if it's the "toughness" of the critter or the level at which their horns are bound to hit you that are of real concern. OUCH!  Best, JohnTheGreek | |||
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I had no idea what a bushbuck looked like, as my knowledge of africa is limited. I did a search, damned if I still don't know what one looks like!!! picture of a bushbuck taken with a bow. Red | |||
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Dago Red ----- I understand your problem completely, I had to look a second time to even see the bushbuck.  Good shooting.phurley | |||
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Nice rack! What's that brown spotted thing in the front of the picture? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Be careful, that is someone's daughter! Or better yet, may be my next wife. | |||
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Damn, I wonder what hurts worse, getting pricked by the horns or twacked by the bow string?  Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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Well not to get this thread back on subject or anything, but I PH for water buffalo among others things in Australia. My current backup is a Win. 70 in .416 Rem.. I would say on average I shoot two buff a season, a pig or two and maybe one scrub bull. | |||
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Guide elephant buff and lion (don't do leopards). Use a 9,3 x62 unless something wounded goes into jesse. Then I dig out the .404 or .458 Lott. Have not fired a back up shot on a clients animal in the last four years. | |||
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A RSA Ph got goured by a bushbuck in 2005 on the hunt before mine. From what I heard, he got the horns through both legs. I had that in the back of my mind when I shot my bushbuck. I am sure glad he dropped in his tracks.  Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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As a RSA PH I have hunted 7 buffalo, 1 lion and 1 elephant this year and have not shot one backup shot. I have shot many shots on a running wounded zebra though. I have atrusted .375 H&H. | |||
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I'll never forget the look on the two Zulu tracker's faces after my shot...the bushbuck vanished, but was found stone dead 30 feet away in some ground cover. About 5 minutes of some real tense folks, I was so naive' to the danger my stress level was next to zero. I knew it was a good shot, but... | |||
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Ganyana Any particular reason you don't do leopard? Regards, Pete | |||
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Why don't I do leopards??? I hunt for fun- mine as much as the clients. A dogged leopard hunt is FUN, but they don't often occur here in the north and any client who wanted to do such a hunt would book with an operator who specilises in that and organising parks permits etc. Sitting watching meat rot is not me. I appreciate the slow adreniline build up as the leopard comes in, the excitement of sitting in the blind as a bunch of elephant come to see who's died, etc, but I dislike waiting. Also, setting up a bait and blind properly so that you give your client the best oportunity is a specilised art. Comming from a National parks back ground I was never schooled in this art on ranches where you have to deal with educated cats, and where the slightest indiscretion or mistake means failure. I have watched good men set up a B7B properly and know I am not in that league to give my client the best chance. In the parks safari aeas- particularly a few years back when quota's were still very low and being cautiously increased after the war, it was no great skill to get a leopard on bait in daylight, so did a couple then. Now- no, I leave leopard to someone who specialises in them. | |||
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Pardon my ignorance, but what's a B7B? thanks, Okie John "The 30-06 works. Period." --Finn Aagaard | |||
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That one confused me too, but I think it is B&B (missed the shift key) for bait and blind. However, I am just guessing. | |||
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Ganyana, Thanks for that... From a clients perspective, I don't think I would like to be just led to a waiting blind & bait set up, ready to shoot a cat if it turned up.. For me, 75% of the hunt would be seeing how the PH set up the blinds and fixed his baits ect...taking the shot would just be the climax of it... Regards, Pete | |||
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B7B= B&B= Bait and Blind... Pete, you are right, more than half the hunt is "showing" the client how, where and why, you are doing the blind, bait etc, Seeing that the bait has been hit and building up that latent excitement. Showing the client in the right way and proving you are smarter than the cat is all part of the PH's job. | |||
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Ganyana, Ask Henry Princloo about the heard of "elephants" that attacked our blind in the Arda. Henry stands up and yells "run!" to me when we hear them coming. I immediately ran headlong into the side of the blind and flattened myself against the support poles, as they were dug-in three feet deep. Henry chambers a round and stands on his chair to see over the top of the blind in order to shoot, while I, knowing now that we are trapped, point my wimpy .300 mag in the direction of the noise (like that's going to stop a charging elephant!). Henry switches on the spotlight, and..... low and behold, a stampeding heard of wildebeests pass withing five feet of the blind. (Turns out they were bing chased by four lionesses) In spite of the "false alarm" we were both so shaken up we called it a night. (BTW, we killed the leopard the next evening) Don't tell me leopard hunting is boring! | |||
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I use .450 Rigby with open sights mostly, also my 9.3x64 as 2nd gun. I also use my 9.3x64 as a loaner rifle for clients, so far used for buff, elephant and leopard. I had a buffalo cow charge about 3 weeks ago, first shot into chest from about 20 yards went all the way to the pelvis (550gr Rhino soft @ 2300ft/sec), second shot at less than 5 yards stopped her, exited. (for solids I use 500gr GS Custom FN @ 2350ft/sec) I use 300gr Rhinos softs or 320gr Woodleigh solids in my 9.3 Also had 2 bowhunts for buffalo, 1st one nearly ended with me having to shoot the buff. Stopped mock chrge at 12 yards, as I was lining up to brain it. Karl Stumpfe Ndumo Hunting Safaris www.huntingsafaris.net karl@huntingsafaris.net P.O. Box 1667, Katima Mulilo, Namibia Cell: +264 81 1285 416 Fax: +264 61 254 328 Sat. phone: +88 163 166 9264 | |||
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