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In a recent hunt to Zimbabwe I, and a companion had rifles, and ammo for our safari. All went well to Joberg. After a pleasant stay at the Afton House. (A great place for you overnight). We were at JHB for our flights to Vic. Falls. I was flying SAA and my ammo was packed in a hard locked case packed in my luggage. Both rifles, ans ammo arrived fine. My friend flew the next flight to Vic. Falls whitch was British Airways. His ammo was packed in a hard locked case in his luggage, the same as me. Thay made him remove the ammo case from his luggage. Then to conciel it wraped it in a plastic bag. The police didn't want it. As amatter of fact they had to take the ammo to 3 police offices until someone finally took it. You guessed it. The rifles and luggage arrived just fine. The ammo didn,t make it. My friend had built a 404 Jefferys. The prime purpose of the hunt was to use that rifle. No matter what caliber you are using, the chances of there being the same ammo in camp are rare. And you won,t find it in Vic.Falls. You can blame British Airways, but Saa tried to do the same thing to me on the return trip. I believe the solution lies with the outfitters, and PH organizations. Packing your ammo seperate from your luggage only assures identification, and invites theft. It almost guarantees loss. The SAP needs to state. All ammo should be packed in a hard lockable case packed in your luggage, seperate from your firearms. | ||
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The solution seems not to fly British Air. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Huh? ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I made that same flight last week only with Delta, transferring to SAA in Joberg to Vic Falls. My ammunition was never once questioned while locked in Pelican Case inside my luggage. I've heard the horror stories and was concerned but to be honest all of my travel both ways went without a hitch. I was especially worried about my ammo as I was shooting a 375 Ruger. When I go back it will be with nothing but a 375 H&H as the ammo seems readily available in most areas. | |||
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The biggest problem seems to be that everyone of the agents you deal with has their own programs and policies. As such you don't know how you are going to be dealt with. Last trip through Joberg they wanted my ammo taken out and inspected by SAPS on my way out , but did not bother on the way in.Time before last my ammo had to be taken completely out of my checked bag and it was tagged and sent on independently.This was SAA both times. My advice is be prepared for anything and then roll with it. I bought an army surplus ammo can and modified it such that it can be locked. I put all ammo in the box and lock it with a TSA approved lock.This goes into my checked bag. If they want it to come out and go seperately, it can. If they want it to stay in the checked bag, even better. Until those Douche bags get on the same page with their regs, you just have to be ready for any eventuality. Fly often enough and you will see it all. O.R.Tambo (Joberg) is consistently the worst of the lot. We seldom get to choose But I've seen them go both ways And I would rather go out in a blaze of glory Than to slowly rot away! | |||
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Traveling Business Class on BA for the last 3 years, but not this year, I've had to have the ammo 1) packed with the rifles, 2)had to have the ammo in a locked hard case in my luggage, and last year 3)had to have the ammo packed separately from rifle and luggage. Also, last year I also had to take out boots, jackets ie all clothing from Tuffpak. That was also a first. No one seems to know exactly how the policy works and you absolutely cannot argue with them for fear of retaliation or refusal to check the bags/ammo/rifles. I just prepare for an hour long check-in and comply with which ever demand they make that year. Checking in for an African flight is the only time I take Zanax! Best regards, D. Nelson | |||
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The first way the Brits got even was to ship Land Rovers, the second was British Air.... | |||
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It certainly does depend on which agent you get at the counter. Last year when checking in at East London with SAA, we were all required to check our ammo separately in a locked case. When picking up guns and ammo boxes in JoBurg and rechecking with Delta, I was told I could not check my ammo box, because it needed to be in my other checked bag that had all my clothes, etc. My clothes bag was checked directly to ATL; therefore, sitting somewhere on the tarmac awaiting our next flight. My buddy was at the adjacent ticket counter and had no problem checking his ammo case. I told the agent I couldn't do that because it was my other bag was checked direct thru to the U.S. She told me I'd need to either get the bag or surrender the ammo. I told I didn't either because I just watched my buddy send his ammo thru. My ticket agent then asked the other ticket agent if it could be done, which the answer was "Yes". She then but a tag on the ammo case and away we went. Had it not been for my friend being at the other counter, I got a feeling I would have never seen the ammo case again. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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1. Make your arrangements through Gracey Travel. They have a full time employee at the JNB airport to solve such things. He takes you there in the morning. and gets you through the ropes. 2. Print out the airlines regs from the internet. 3. Leave your ammo with the PH in Zim. He'll appreciate it as it is hard to get there. 4. Never fly BA to Zim. 5. Fly Delta across the ocean. They have longer range planes and don't have to land at that God-forsaken place (Isla del Sol) to refuel. Indy Life is short. Hunt hard. | |||
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The above sums up everything that is wrong with travel today. It describes personel at check in, customs and immigration. I travel a lot, through many countries, and the different type of agents I have come across is incredible. It ranges from the extremely polite, helpful and friendly type. To the utter idiots who I would never employ to do ANYTHING. | |||
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To avoid the whole ammo-circus I will be flying this year to Africa with my rifle, but I will be taking no ammo... My PH will have a couple of boxes of ammo ready for me and he will keep whatever is left of it. Of course, this begging-the-issue scheme only works with non-too-exotic calibers like 375H&H and some 416´s. It is of course a reloaders nightmare, but I am generally satisfied with today´s premium bullets that can be obtained commercially in Africa. As a bonus I gain 5 kg weight allowance for something else, I avoid the "extra bag" fees that some airlines want to charge when ammo boxes have to be checked separately. It saves me from "cartridge counting" by customs officials and also nullifies the (very creative...) cartridge taxes that some countries want to book. | |||
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