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As Larry and others have said, he's meek and unassuming and a very funny guy.

Must be a different guy than I met almost 20 years ago

Gunslinger,

if you want some guidance on how to shoot a double with extractors, you won't find it from any MS video as he doesn't use extractor guns!!!
The best video i have seen of good reload technique is the one Todd put up a long time ago on AR.
My advice to you is to go out and practice and find what works for you.
Remember, the 2 first shots in 99.9% of the time are what counts……..
Plus the fact you would have a PH there loaded and ready to back up too.

I agree with wearing the ammo in front , using open loop holder as per MS as well.

I also do as Todd stated, 2 rounds then empty loop, then another 2 rounds.
You then take both rounds out simultaneously and reload both barrels in one action.

Now we can progress to right or left handed loading……….. But thats another story…….

How to handle a double rifle? From my experience, I'd say with both hands!

Grab it and go hunting...its just hunting!

I see a similarity of sorts between the reactions one gets about Capstik & Mark Sullivan.

Both have been called BS artists by many.

Saeed loves Capstik and claims that he was the inspiration for Saeed to hunt Africa.

On the other hand Saeed hates Sullivan & refers to all kinds of stories of unethical conduct in Tanzanian hunting concessions.

The sad part is that not one verifiable evidence has come about about any of Sullivan's wrong doings.

Same with Capstik I might add.

They are both very famous hunters, author & movie makers. They are both actors, entertainers and BS artists. So what?

They are both very successful and that does not seem to sit well with envious lot.

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Capstik & Mark Sullivan.

Met them both

prefer Pete any day

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
Yeah I met him once at an outdoor show in Phoenix as he used to live here I believe. He was a bit arrogant and I was interested in going hunting but he could probably smell that at that time I was not in the proper financial league you might say lol. Still was interesting to talk to I think some of his family was involved in the airlines as well. I get that it's macho white hunter entertainment and he has made money off it. I just want to learn the best and fastest way to reload an extractor double and I don't think he even mentioned it in his video

I did a little bit of searching today and found the footage of speed shooting an extractor double. I've re-uploaded it to YouTube. Click the link below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrUeA50k2xQ

I think Pete would be a hoot to toss some back with

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

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Capstik & Mark Sullivan.

Met them both

prefer Pete any day

Thanks I'll check it out

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
Yeah I met him once at an outdoor show in Phoenix as he used to live here I believe. He was a bit arrogant and I was interested in going hunting but he could probably smell that at that time I was not in the proper financial league you might say lol. Still was interesting to talk to I think some of his family was involved in the airlines as well. I get that it's macho white hunter entertainment and he has made money off it. I just want to learn the best and fastest way to reload an extractor double and I don't think he even mentioned it in his video

I did a little bit of searching today and found the footage of speed shooting an extractor double. I've re-uploaded it to YouTube. Click the link below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrUeA50k2xQ

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
I see a similarity of sorts between the reactions one gets about Capstik & Mark Sullivan.

Both have been called BS artists by many.

Saeed loves Capstik and claims that he was the inspiration for Saeed to hunt Africa.

On the other hand Saeed hates Sullivan & refers to all kinds of stories of unethical conduct in Tanzanian hunting concessions.

The sad part is that not one verifiable evidence has come about about any of Sullivan's wrong doings.

Same with Capstik I might add.

They are both very famous hunters, author & movie makers. They are both actors, entertainers and BS artists. So what?

They are both very successful and that does not seem to sit well with envious lot.

Very well said. Thanks, Naki.
Cal

Folks,

If you want to learn how to load,shoot, reload an extractor double take a look at Jim "Longhunter" Finch's youtube clips.

Yep he's a Western Action shooter and it's a shotgun but it equates.

I believe some here are missing the point.

This is not whether PHC is better ( or worse) than MS or that either is good or bad !

It is all about optics of a message sent!

As civilized men we do not kick puppies to death for sport, nor do we do so in front of a camera and we most certainly do not turn on the drama about how these puppies are choosing how to die !

We all hunt ! Though to be successful a hunt typically ends in the death of the hunted animal! However when the actual act of killing supersedes the ethos of the hunt itself something is wrong. When this occurs it becomes a killing and no longer hunting

The animal does not choose to die, it has no will ! We however have a will and we willfully or otherwise impose on the wild animals realm of existence and in turn it reacts to that intrusion by either flight or fight !

The ethos of the modern hunt demands of us a measure respect and civility for that intrusion ! If we do decide to kill then let it be humanely and properly without causing undue suffering. Basic Civility demands it of us as men ( mankind)

If this is not so then all we call hunting and everything we claim in defence of hunting is for naught !

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The ethos of the modern hunt demands of us a measure respect and civility for that intrusion !

In one very short simple word: Ethics!

A word that to some appears to be repulsive and has no place in hunting.

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Originally posted by ALF:
WTF ! Seriously this is what is wrong with what this guy sees as hunting !

GOING TO WAR WITH ANIMALS

Seriously ! War ?????????

If you want to go to war join the F*******n army ! Go for it !

But this self aggrandizing and show boating under the pretext of hunting is plain wrong !

There is no place for this type of bravado in hunting !

Yes you can prepare and carry a adequate gun and gird your loins with whatever bullshit you want or need to carry but this notion of provoking animals to charge and then to shoot them down for whatever kicks you get from the experience should be condemned by everyone who holds hunting dear ! [/b]

I agree.

Some can say "oh he isn't like that in person" or "the anti's will still hate us no matter what". But the reality is its the vast majority of people that are largely neutral who when shown crap like this start forming a negative opinion and that's when we all lose. In case you haven't noticed the current situation with lion and elephant hunting isn't looking good in the USA right now. One very good reason is the anti's are very good at putting stuff like this in front of the average citizen along with their anti hunting spin. Videos like this are tailor made for anti hunting groups like it or not and that's a fact.

To reiterate what ALF said; WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH WILDLIFE and should condem those who publicly act like it.

Well said ALF and Cougarz.

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Originally posted by Cougarz:

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Originally posted by ALF:
WTF ! Seriously this is what is wrong with what this guy sees as hunting !

GOING TO WAR WITH ANIMALS

Seriously ! War ?????????

If you want to go to war join the F*******n army ! Go for it !

But this self aggrandizing and show boating under the pretext of hunting is plain wrong !

There is no place for this type of bravado in hunting !

Yes you can prepare and carry a adequate gun and gird your loins with whatever bullshit you want or need to carry but this notion of provoking animals to charge and then to shoot them down for whatever kicks you get from the experience should be condemned by everyone who holds hunting dear ! [/b]

I agree.

Some can say "oh he isn't like that in person" or "the anti's will still hate us no matter what". But the reality is its the vast majority of people that are largely neutral who when shown crap like this start forming a negative opinion and that's when we all lose. In case you haven't noticed the current situation with lion and elephant hunting isn't looking good in the USA right now. One very good reason is the anti's are very good at putting stuff like this in front of the average citizen along with their anti hunting spin. Videos like this are tailor made for anti hunting groups like it or not and that's a fact.

To reiterate what ALF said; WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH WILDLIFE and should condem those who publicly act like it.

Yes Indeed. I’ve said this several times to people: we post the pictures/videos but THEY write the captions. Think about that the next time you post a questionable pic. And if your response is “screw them,” ask yourself just who the “them” is. It’s not who you think it is.

Folks,

Forgive me for I am about to sin.

You see I am a Mark Sullivan supporter/fan.

I've watched the youtube clip and failed to get a laugh out of it...........perhaps my sense of humour isn't well developed.

Sure some of what he says "rankles" me. His mannerisms/manner is "pretty big". But I've been rankled over a lot less. He "flags" the cameraman and it makes my guts crawl......even with a gun proven to be empty (I assume he "showed empty").

The clip is more long winded than it need be but he's speaking of a subject that he loves and needs to cover a topic that has many elements..........which of us can claim that we can't be long winded and boring ???..........ask your wife and kids if you don't think you are.

He dissects his subject and explains how he does it and why. Most of it I agree with. Can't say I like the pistol grip thumb "anchored" against the body thing..........but what I think doesn't matter. He's right when he says that carrying a 10lb + (my words) in both hands, away from the body, will tire you very quickly.

He carries the gun in a position so that it does not block his vision and it aids his gun mount. Gun mount in a charge would be critical.......and not hanging your gunstock on crap (binoculars, pockets) while you're doing it in a hurry is important.

He carries his cartridges in a position that is quickly accessible....... and scratches the verdigris (if that's what you call that green stuff that grows on brass cartridges that are kept in a leather belt) off them and inspects them. Loading a double barrel shotgun (yep Western action again) from the belt, quickly will teach you where to put your ammo. He could show you more on gripping, presenting and chambering those cartridges quickly/efficiently !!!

His safety catch engagement/disengagement too me makes sense as the gun is only off safe when it's on it's way to the shoulder. Might even stop you dabbing the trigger before you've got the gun properly mounted. Gun safety, with clients, would be the most dangerous part of most hunts.......he even says that.

He shows good gun mount and preaches "in a fight front sight". This will stop a client blazing away, in a stressfull situation, without aiming. I shoot Western action so I know that, when your cranking (a lever gun) and shooting quickly, if you've got the front sight on my target I'll hit it. Shooting skeet, field and game, IPSC, Western Action teach you to keep your eyes on the target and mount/present the gun right and you'll hit what you're looking at.

Sullivan says things the way he does because he's passionate about the subject. Yep he is promoting himself and Heym. He tells you that he's being doing this for 20+ years, perhaps out of brag but also to let people know that his "modus operandi" come from experience not conjecture.

He has very definite opinions..........don't we all. He's giving those opinions, forged from experience, for you to adopt......or not !!!! He says "this is how Sullivan does it" not you must do this.........unless of course it's safe gun handling and you're his client...I'd say it's mandatory to do it his way as it may be him you shoot if you have an "A.D." in the heat of the moment.

I've got his books and as many of his dvds that I can afford. I've read/watched them many times. He spends a lot of time defending how he does things..........probably because he's got so many detractors.....few of which would have his big game experience.

He's offended us by showing us our heroes are lesser than what we thought of them. He did this by dispelling the myths (all wounded buffalo charge, shoot him in the centre of the nose etc) and we should feel kinda dumb for being "hood winked" ............ but hell these guys were our heroes and they knew everything (???).

His footage of charging buffalo and hippo show emphatically that what he says is correct......Buffalo do not charge with their noses tipped up so that you can shoot them in the nose and have the bullet follow their nasal passages into the brain.......and that a buffalo's boss is "bullet proof".

We don't like his style of hunting because we have the self doubt as to whether we have "the stones" to walk up to one of these pissed off dangerous animals.........in case they might come over and kill us. But remember what John Waynes said "Courage is being scared to death.......but saddling up anyway".

So there it is. That's my take on it.

But as they say "your mileage may differ"........ and "opinions are as common as a*seholes.......everybody's got one".

Very well put, TBB. But...
Saeed's gonna get ya!
Cal

Cal,

I'll run that risk.

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He carries his cartridges in a position that is quickly accessible....... and scratches the verdigris (if that's what you call that green stuff that grows on brass cartridges that are kept in a leather belt) off them and inspects them. Loading a double barrel shotgun (yep Western action again) from the belt, quickly will teach you where to put your ammo. He could show you more on gripping, presenting and chambering those cartridges quickly/efficiently !!!

Does one really need to be told that the cartridge pouch, especially when hunting DG should be kept within easy reach or is that a recommendation reserved for idiots? If one chooses to keep it off-center between hip and navel would that be incorrect? IMO you place it where it suits you the best - MS likes it dead center and that is fine but not necessarily the rule.

Reloading a DR quickly and efficiently should not be the case as you are expected to have successfully concluded your intended mission; if you were faced with a charge and flunked you will have run out of time.

Does one scratch the oxidization off brass while in the field or when they are putting their stuff together prior to the hunt?

When getting myself geared up for a hunt I inspect, polish and chamber each and every individual shell to ensure none stick and replace them in their boxes; they only meet up with leather once in camp.

It might be worth pointing out that oxidization does not happen overnight, so if you have had them sitting in storage for a lengthy period of time and in particularly humid conditions, may just experience this and especially if you have been too lazy to remove them from the leather pouch (brass and leather are not the greatest of friends).

Mine, which have been stored for years in their original boxes have not formed the green scale or "verdigris", may not be as shiny as the day they were bought, but dulled with a light patina of corrosion which naturally affects brass in the long run, even in the best conditions.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Very well put, TBB. But...
Saeed's gonna get ya!
Cal

Saeed's one thing for sure, but the inevitable calvary charge of the Superior Moral Ethics High Horse riders may be more impressive!

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I've got his books and as many of his dvds that I can afford. I've read/watched them many times. He spends a lot of time defending how he does things..........probably because he's got so many detractors.....few of which would have his big game experience.

I think you have already been git,all those books & videos? self induced brainwashing

Bill,

I've done enough hunting, and should be smart enough, to sort the "wheat from the chaff".

As I said I don't agree with everything that Mark Sullivan says........but that doesn't matter.

I'll use the information that I agree with but discard the stuff that I don't agree with.........as I do with all other sources of information.

If I was wanting to learn to drive a race car I'd listen to the advice of Champion race car drivers cause their advice would come from experience. I would not listen to financial advice from bankrupts, Sexual advice from celibates nor marital advice from people divorced multiple times.

Sullivan's 20+ years of experience have taught him a lot and he's sharing it with those who would listen. His experience/knowledge is greater than mine on the topic so I defer to him on the subject. Though I'll carefully "sift through" what is offered and discard what makes no sense to me.......to do otherwise would be ignorant on my part.

I'll state it again. I think that most of his detractors attack his manner of delivery and don't like the fact that he's disproved things that we all believed........thereby making us "rubes" for believing such.

If that's brainwashed. Then I'm brainwashed......until someone comes along and proves Sullivan to be wrong. But they better include pictures to prove their point. Just like Sullivan does.

I'm as big a cynic as anyone. I've got to "touch it, feel it, smell it, see it or taste it" or I'm hard to convince. Sullivan provides the pictures/footage to prove his point.

I have never met Mark Sullivan.

I have only seen trailers of his hunting videos, and of course the video which is the primary subject of this thread.

I have read numerous threads such as this one. Invariably they devolve into pro and con Sullivan camps hurling their arguments back and forth.

The only thing I can say with certainty about Mark Sullivan is that he is a genius at marketing himself and I can see why he has been successful.

Very true. And I will say I learned nothing from the video