I e emailed a few Zim PH's about Mugabe's speech to get their thoughts. Below are two of the responses.
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Hi Larry!

NOT GOOD!!!!!! Certainly believable if you take into account the farms! We have been called to a meeting next week regards indiginisation! I am sure prompted by his speech! How you doing Larry!

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Hey Larry,

I certainly believe that there is a change within the government with the way they are seeing the land reform, I had a meeting yesterday with a black guy he is not involved with politics but he is close to Mugabe and to Mnangagwa, he says that they are now seeing that they have to have foreign investment and that they realize that they got the land reform wrong.About 2 weeks ago I met with Manangagwas son and he is heading up a group trying to get the white farmers to go back onto the land with the new farmers they have found aUK based investment bank that is looking at the whole deal to start cooperate farming here. They are already involved in Brazil and also in some of the Eastern European countries. So there is definitely a plan in the pipe line and a change in their thinking. I believe that what they will do is try to organize some sort of compensation for the farmers and then give out a lease for the land. It is what they spoke about in brief, this way it allows the person leasing the land something to go to the banks with for a loan.

But it is Africa, the guy that I met with yesterday said that they have been looking at all the neighboring countries and are seeing that they are booming and Zim is in a big hole, no idea though. the feeling here on the ground is that there is a change, and certainly things do feel very different.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I e emailed a few Zim PH's about Mugabe's speech to get their thoughts. Below are two of the responses.
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Hi Larry!

NOT GOOD!!!!!! Certainly believable if you take into account the farms! We have been called to a meeting next week regards indiginisation! I am sure prompted by his speech! How you doing Larry!

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Hey Larry,

I certainly believe that there is a change within the government with the way they are seeing the land reform, I had a meeting yesterday with a black guy he is not involved with politics but he is close to Mugabe and to Mnangagwa, he says that they are now seeing that they have to have foreign investment and that they realize that they got the land reform wrong.About 2 weeks ago I met with Manangagwas son and he is heading up a group trying to get the white farmers to go back onto the land with the new farmers they have found aUK based investment bank that is looking at the whole deal to start cooperate farming here. They are already involved in Brazil and also in some of the Eastern European countries. So there is definitely a plan in the pipe line and a change in their thinking. I believe that what they will do is try to organize some sort of compensation for the farmers and then give out a lease for the land. It is what they spoke about in brief, this way it allows the person leasing the land something to go to the banks with for a loan.

But it is Africa, the guy that I met with yesterday said that they have been looking at all the neighboring countries and are seeing that they are booming and Zim is in a big hole, no idea though. the feeling here on the ground is that there is a change, and certainly things do feel very different.

I will bet in next 10 years you will see a lot of investment in Zim ag. The land is too good to not be used.

Most likely will be thru entities controlled by Sovereign powers (State Investment funds ect) and private deep pocket investors.

There may be some white owners but they most likely will be sitting far away from Zim and will not be farmers whose land was seized.

How to deal with local politicians - look at Exxon's investment in Russia as a example. Only invest if you hold other assets as a collateral.

I am pretty positive on Sub Saharan Africa over next 10-30 years - pretty negative on wildlife and hunting for the foreseeable future.

Mike

Beretta,

Regarding ExxonMobil, I am an ExxonMobil annuitant. Ask ExxonMobil's CEO and President, Rex Tillerson, how their ongoing arbitration is working out for them (8 years after filing for compensation). XOM still hasn't received their check and will probably never receive one dollar from Venezuela's communist regime.

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Exxon Mobil Corp. was awarded a $1.6 billion judgment by an international arbitration panel for assets seized by Venezuela’s government in 2007, a fraction of what the crude producer had sought.

The World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes, or ICSID, awarded the sum to Irving, Texas-based Exxon as compensation for investments in the Cerro Negro project and other losses, according to a ruling on the center’s website today. The world’s most valuable oil company had originally sought as much as $14.7 billion for assets nationalized after it refused to accept terms of a partnership with state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela SA.
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I met with Manangagwas son and he is heading up a group trying to get the white farmers to go back onto the land

What a sweet fairy tale that will be !!!

Does Mnanflippingagwa's son REALLY believe he can convince the previous white farmers that all will be OK this time around? It's the kind of thought I would attach to these Zanu PF monkey's though. It is so preposterous its beyond laughable.

Baboons.

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Originally posted by Cajun1956:
Beretta,

Regarding ExxonMobil, I am an ExxonMobil annuitant. Ask ExxonMobil's CEO and President, Rex Tillerson, how their ongoing arbitration is working out for them (8 years after filing for compensation). XOM still hasn't received their check and will probably never receive one dollar from Venezuela's communist regime.

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Exxon Mobil Corp. was awarded a $1.6 billion judgment by an international arbitration panel for assets seized by Venezuela’s government in 2007, a fraction of what the crude producer had sought.

The World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes, or ICSID, awarded the sum to Irving, Texas-based Exxon as compensation for investments in the Cerro Negro project and other losses, according to a ruling on the center’s website today. The world’s most valuable oil company had originally sought as much as $14.7 billion for assets nationalized after it refused to accept terms of a partnership with state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela SA.
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They learned

Look what Exxon did with Russia - all artic investments are subject to having Russian counterparty invest in GOM and have cross collateral protection.

If you hold Uncle Bob or the next Zim guys assets in Singapore or Malaysia as collateral - maybe one can take the risk of investing in Zim. Not otherwise.

Look have stable Bubye has been relative to Save. Helps to have rights owners for Zim.

Mike

I don't know much about any of it, but sounds like crock of shit.
If they ( ZANU ) were serious in Zim, they would come out and say it.
What a classic bullshit from Commies, besides they are such a racists.

http://www.zimbabwesituation.c...-farmers-out-of-zim/



Mugabe threatens to kick out 163+ white farmers out of Zim

Posted on March 1, 2015 by ZimSitRep_


via Mugabe threatens to kick out 163+ white farmers out of Zim – The Zimbabwean 1 March 2015 by Edgar Gweshe

President Robert Mugabe today threatened to kick out 163 plus white commercial farmers from Mashonaland East province saying that more would be booted out under a campaign to flush out the remaining whites on the country’s farms.

He made remarks during celebrations to mark his 91st birthday in Victoria Falls today.

Mugabe blamed expelled former Zanu (PF) Mashonaland East Chairperson, Raymond Kaukonde, for protecting white farmers in defiance of a party directive for them to be kicked out.

“I was talking to the Minister of Lands and I think it was the day before yesterday and we were looking at each and every province and we started with Mashonaland East. In Goromonzi, they (white farmers) are 40. From Goromonzi, we moved to Mutoko and Murewa and they are 123.

Mind you this is Mashonaland East.

“Then I said so some of our leaders had been hiding them (white farmers) in farms and saying the farms had been given. So I said let’s stop here,” said Mugabe.

“Vanga vakahwandiswa nanaKaukonde (They were being given refuge by Kaukonde and his team).Saka ndakati tombomira ipapo (I said let us stop there.”

White farmers were kicked out of their farms following the launch of the controversial Land Reform Programme by Zanu (PF) in 2002. The programme was criticized for being campaign gimmick.

Mugabe said that after the purge in Mashonaland East, Zanu (PF) will launch the campaign to flush out white farmers to other provinces.

He blamed Zanu (PF) officials for misrepresenting to him that farms formerly owned by white commercial farms has been taken for resettlement by the government.

Mugabe threatened to seize safaris owned by whites in the country in protest against “US sanctions” on Zimbabwe.

“We are now going to invade those forests. It’s now time that we become owners not of the vote but of that which the vote brought us,”he said.

“We had to force them out. We kicked them out and we did that because it was necessary,” said Mugabe.

Only the stupid will invest in Zimbabwe now.

Far too many people have been burnt.

I know two individuals who bought farms - with government guarantees that if foreign money was brought in, no interference from the government will result.

That last a couple of years, and they were forced out!

http://www.zimbabwesituation.c...sources-from-whites/



AU Chair Mugabe urges African states to seize resources from whites

Posted on March 1, 2015 by ZimSitRep_


via AU Chair Mugabe urges African states to seize resources from whites – The Zimbabwean 1 March by Edgar Gweshe

Africa Union (AU) Chairperson, Zimbabwe’s President Robert Mugabe, today rallied African states to emulate his country’s economic policies that have seen farms and industries being seized from former white owners.

The Zimbabwean economy has been on a free fall after the Mugabe led government launched a fast track Land Reform programme that saw white farmers being dispossessed of their land in 2002.

The Indigenisation policy, which compels foreign owned firms with a minimum shareholding of $500 000 to cede majority shareholding to locals, has been blamed for scaring away potential investors.

Mugabe, speaking at celebrations to mark his 91st birthday in Victoria Falls today, seemed unaware of the debilitating effects of his government’s policies on the economy when he urged other African states to follow suit saying this would address colonial imbalances.

Zimbabwe has seen a serious reduction in the number of foreign investors after it launched campaigns aimed at dispossessing white owners of their property.

“It was this goal envisaged by the founding fathers of our independence in Africa. It is important that the dream of African fathers of achieving economic independence be realised. Through the historic Land Reform Programme, the Indigenisation and Economic Empowerment policy and now our economic blueprint, ZimAsset, Zimbabwe is now a shining example of what it means to be independent,” said Mugabe.

“My life has been about advancing these causes. Firstly, I had to join others in getting rid of what was the major political problem of outsiders who were called settlers ruling us. They had turned us into semi-slaves, nothing more than just servants, labourers for them.”

Zimbabwe’s much touted empowerment policies have been condemned for providing a looting platform for political elites, including the First family.

Today, Mugabe threatened to seize farms owned by the remaining white farmers in Zimbabwe, a move that is likely to further deter potential investors to the Southern African country.

European countries are on record saying that threats to seize farms are a big impediment to foreign direct investments.

Yep, racists and morons

something about a goose and golden eggs...

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I e emailed a few Zim PH's about Mugabe's speech to get their thoughts. Below are two of the responses.
-----------------------------------------------



Hi Larry!

NOT GOOD!!!!!! Certainly believable if you take into account the farms! We have been called to a meeting next week regards indiginisation! I am sure prompted by his speech! How you doing Larry!

-----------------------------------------------



Hey Larry,

I certainly believe that there is a change within the government with the way they are seeing the land reform, I had a meeting yesterday with a black guy he is not involved with politics but he is close to Mugabe and to Mnangagwa, he says that they are now seeing that they have to have foreign investment and that they realize that they got the land reform wrong.About 2 weeks ago I met with Manangagwas son and he is heading up a group trying to get the white farmers to go back onto the land with the new farmers they have found aUK based investment bank that is looking at the whole deal to start cooperate farming here. They are already involved in Brazil and also in some of the Eastern European countries. So there is definitely a plan in the pipe line and a change in their thinking. I believe that what they will do is try to organize some sort of compensation for the farmers and then give out a lease for the land. It is what they spoke about in brief, this way it allows the person leasing the land something to go to the banks with for a loan.

But it is Africa, the guy that I met with yesterday said that they have been looking at all the neighboring countries and are seeing that they are booming and Zim is in a big hole, no idea though. the feeling here on the ground is that there is a change, and certainly things do feel very different.

I will bet in next 10 years you will see a lot of investment in Zim ag. The land is too good to not be used.

Most likely will be thru entities controlled by Sovereign powers (State Investment funds ect) and private deep pocket investors.

There may be some white owners but they most likely will be sitting far away from Zim and will not be farmers whose land was seized.

How to deal with local politicians - look at Exxon's investment in Russia as a example. Only invest if you hold other assets as a collateral.

I am pretty positive on Sub Saharan Africa over next 10-30 years - pretty negative on wildlife and hunting for the foreseeable future.

Mike

I agree that there will be a lot of investment in Zim ag in the next 10-15 years. The question in my mind, will it be white or Chinese investment?

Also bullish on sub-Saharan Africa for the rest of my life.(<30 years) Tread carefully, there are a number of minefields to get through. The real key is there are also many minefields that haven't been planted yet that will also have to be traversed.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I e emailed a few Zim PH's about Mugabe's speech to get their thoughts. Below are two of the responses.
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Hi Larry!

NOT GOOD!!!!!! Certainly believable if you take into account the farms! We have been called to a meeting next week regards indiginisation! I am sure prompted by his speech! How you doing Larry!

-----------------------------------------------



Hey Larry,

I certainly believe that there is a change within the government with the way they are seeing the land reform, I had a meeting yesterday with a black guy he is not involved with politics but he is close to Mugabe and to Mnangagwa, he says that they are now seeing that they have to have foreign investment and that they realize that they got the land reform wrong.About 2 weeks ago I met with Manangagwas son and he is heading up a group trying to get the white farmers to go back onto the land with the new farmers they have found aUK based investment bank that is looking at the whole deal to start cooperate farming here. They are already involved in Brazil and also in some of the Eastern European countries. So there is definitely a plan in the pipe line and a change in their thinking. I believe that what they will do is try to organize some sort of compensation for the farmers and then give out a lease for the land. It is what they spoke about in brief, this way it allows the person leasing the land something to go to the banks with for a loan.

But it is Africa, the guy that I met with yesterday said that they have been looking at all the neighboring countries and are seeing that they are booming and Zim is in a big hole, no idea though. the feeling here on the ground is that there is a change, and certainly things do feel very different.

Bearing in mind that Barclays have been supporting the Mugabe regime to the tune of something like USD100M each and every year for decades (feel free to Google it for more info) for no apparent reason or return, there's a bloody good chance they're involved in this as well............ So you know what to do if you bank with Barclays!

http://allafrica.com/stories/201503030389.html


Zimbabwe Opposition Slams Mugabe 'Racism'


Harare — Zimbabwe's opposition Movement for Democratic Change on Monday criticised President Robert Mugabe's "crude and racist remarks" against white farmers, made at the statesman's 91st birthday celebrations.

The party, led by Morgan Tsvangirai, said Mugabe's threat to take over the country's remaining white-owned farms and safari operations was "fascist and Stalinist".

"Investors can never be keen to come and invest in a country run by an intolerant, corrupt and racist demagogue," the party said.

There are an estimated 300-400 white farmers still on their land in Zimbabwe. An unknown number rent back land from the new black owners.

At his elaborate birthday party in Victoria Falls on Saturday, Mugabe accused some ruling party officials of "hiding" white farmers in their districts.

He said he had been told that 163 white farmers had been allowed to continue farming in Mashonaland East province alone, which was formerly under the control of officials linked to ousted vice president Joice Mujuru. There are 10 provinces in Zimbabwe.

Mugabe said on Saturday that safari operations in the country were run by whites or foreigners.

"We must keep animals for ourselves," he said.

"We are now going to invade these forests."

The MDC said Mugabe's comments were particularly out of line given that the Zimbabwe president is currently chairing two major continental bodies -- the Southern African Development Community and the African Union.

"For as long as Robert Mugabe remains the leader of the country, Zimbabwe is doomed," the opposition party said

I have some very good friends in Zimbabwe. Almost like relatives they are so close. But I have formed an opinion of the country and in fact the whole area of southern Africa. I do not believe they will ever attain any stability while under black rule. They have the concept of 'tribe' which is diametrically opposed to the European concept of ' property ownership'. In other words in the tribal concept the tribe owns the land and it is administered by the chief or leader of the tribe. This does not in any way function with private ownership of land. Without private ownership you have limited progress. Look in Zimbabwe at the importance given tribal origin and it is my understanding that the Shonas (ruling class at present) did not even originate in Zimbabwe but from the north of there. The other thing that has profound impact on any progress is the 'rule of law' which the government of Zimbabwe has supplied many examples of their non-belief in this concept. I know of one prime example that happened to my friends. They had a large farm that they raised flowers and Brahma breeding stock. They lost it in the second round of takeovers. The funny part is they had legally bought the farm from the government legally many years before. The failure of the 'rule of law' is one of the first warning signs to me. However we are approaching that type of government here in the US with a president who just makes the law as he goes along. In my own case it hits close to financial home. One of my investments was in preferred stock. I bought this stock because of my understanding of preferred stock - you get no voting rights but in cases of bankruptcy and business closing - which gives you first chance at any monies disbursed in case of say bankruptcy. I thought I was being prudent in this case and protecting my investment. The stock was General Motors which was 'too big to let fail' so a special type of bankruptcy was instituted for them by our president in which Preferred stock holders got nothing and stock in the new company was given to the union. The courts all agreed this was legal. So much for our governments belief in the 'rule of law'. As a result of this action I have very little confidence in our government and as I see the daily changes made by our erstwhile president I understand more and more the comparison to Zimbabwe and it's president. They might actually be related as I personally believe our president was born in Kenya. My confidence in the continued existence of the US as a nation I remember is in grave doubt. I worry about the demise of the USSR at the end of the cold war. It ceased to exist as a nation without a shot being fired,a single uprising or person killed. And this all happened within space of a month or so. So don't be so quick to say it can't happen here. The people of the US are in some respects like the people of Zimbabwe,they are mostly peaceful and obey what they believe to be authority. So much for the disjointed thoughts of an old man. I am just very happy to have been priviledged to hunt in Africa.

I believe there will be huge upheaval when Mugabe dies and the resulting war will further devaste the country.

http://www.zimbabwesituation.c...t-163-white-farmers/


Minister moves to evict 163 white farmers


Posted on March 5, 2015 by ZimSitRep_



via Minister moves to evict 163 white farmers – New Zimbabwe 04/03/2015

MORE than 160 white commercial farmers in Mashonaland East province will soon be removed from their properties as the government claims they are occupying the land illegally.

The development comes after President Robert Mugabe claimed that some 163 farmers were illegal staying on the farms because they were being protected by dismissed Mashonaland East Zanu PF provincial chairperson, Ray Kaukonde.

Kaukonde was ousted from the party provincial post over allegations he was financing a coup plot by former vice president Joice Mujuru.

Mugabe threatened the farmers while partying to celebrate his 91st birthday in Victoria Falls last Saturday.

And soon after Mugabe’s remarks, Lands and Resettlement Minister Douglas Mombeshora has quickly moved to please his boss.

According to Mombeshora, indications are that scores of white commercial farmers are still occupying vast swathes of land under the guise of special sectors protection, yet they are engaging in farming activities which are not covered by the scheme.

Farmers who exempted from redistribution of land are those involved ventures of diary and seed production.

Mombeshora has said the government was keen to see practical activities at every farm adding this would help to expose “malcontents” abusing the special sector exemption facility.

“Remember we have spared some sectors such as dairy and tobacco seed production,” he said.

“Now we have realised that in some cases a farmer claims that he is into dairy yet he has only three cattle and we have our own farmers who can do dairy much better than that.”

He said the Mashonaland East land audit, which unearthed Kaukonde’s “corrupt activities”, would be replicated in other provinces.

Mombeshora claimed that the problem of shielding white farmers was also prevalent in Mashonaland West where another Zanu PF provincial chairperson, Temba Mliswa was dismissed last year.

Mliswa was also one of the provincial chairpersons who were purged on charges of supporting former Mujuru’s alleged bid to stage a coup against Mugabe.

The threats by Mugabe came barely a week after he publicly admitted that the land reform process was chaotic and regretted giving black Zimbabweans farms as they were failing to utilise productively.

http://www.zimbabwesituation.c...ns-newsday-zimbabwe/


EU warns Mugabe on renewed farm invasions


Posted on March 5, 2015 by ZimSitRep


via EU warns Mugabe on renewed farm invasions - NewsDay Zimbabwe March 5, 2015

THE European Union has warned that President Robert Mugabe’s recent threat to kick out the remaining white farmers from their commercial farms could scupper business re-engagements efforts between the Zanu PF government and the EU bloc.

This comes amidst fears by the Commercial Farmers’ Union (CFU) that the country’s agricultural production will be further compromised by a fresh wave of farm invasions.

EU head of delegation to Zimbabwe, Philipe Van Damme told NewsDay that Mugabe’s remarks had sent wrong signals to both domestic and foreign investors and put a damper on government’s economic revival plans.

Addressing guests at his belated 91st birthday celebrations in Victoria Falls last Saturday, Mugabe said government was planning to grab all farmland and safaris still under the control of white farmers throughout the country as it winds up the land reform programme.

Recently, the EU lifted the restrictions on most government officials, but retained Mugabe and his wife Grace on the sanctions list.

The EU envoy, however, warned Mugabe against being vindictive as that would chase away investors and harm the country’s economic revival plans.

“What investors expect, both domestic as well as foreign investors, is a clear, predictable legal framework, security of tenure and respect for the rule of law. This is true for all sectors of the economy including the agricultural sector, regardless of the colour and nationality of those who occupy the land,” Van Damme said.

“Regarding agricultural land in particular, Chapter 16 of the new Constitution overwhelmingly adopted in 2013 by all Zimbabweans across the political divide is very clear and investors expect the charter to be respected, the Zimbabwe Land Commission to be established, rules and procedures to be scrupulously followed and court decisions to be respected and fully implemented.

“Abuse of the rule of law and contempt of court have a disastrous impact on the image of the country and on investment decisions.”

He added: “The EU has never questioned the need for land reform, but it has to be implemented in the interest of all and in strict adherence to the Constitution and the principle of respect for the rule of law.”

The CFU said fresh invasions would throw the country’s already bleeding agriculture sector into worse turmoil.

“The remaining white commercial farmers remain very concerned about their future after the President’s speech. For 15 years we have seen a continued onslaught on the white farmer and we continue to witness this today,” said Hendrik Olivier, the spokesperson for the union.

“It is a reality in Zimbabwe that today you are farming and tomorrow you are living in town looking for another job.”

He said there was need for stability in the agricultural sector.

“And even more, we need to have some form of moratorium on any farm disruptions immediately enforced. One would think that the land reform programme would come to an end, but it is very clear that this exercise continues. When more land is needed, land is taken at the cost of the remaining white commercial farmers,” said Olivier.

He said the current farming season and crop forecasts were not looking good because of the weather pattern.

Olivier said CFU expected fresh farm invasions to start after Mugabe’s speech in Victoria Falls.