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Looking for feedback from some of the experienced African hunters and PHs on the suitability of the 270gr TSX in a .375 H&H for buff. I know the 300gr is a better choice but my rifle doesn't like them as well. Cheers, Andy | ||
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Andy, You know I love the 270 TSX. I have 3 sitting on the desk here in front of me all taken from the off shoulder of eland. Two bullets were finishers shot into a very big Livingstone's eland at about 25 yards. The 2 bullets look like twins with both having .84" frontal areas. The other bullet was taken from my Lord Derby eland at about 300 yards. Frontal area .70". I call that great performance. I would venture a guess that the 270 TSX at 2700 fps would equal the penetration of any of the more conventionally manufactured 300 gr. bullets at 2550fps. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Thanks Mark and Merry Christmas to you!! | |||
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A good friend of mine used the 270grn X's on a few Water Buffalo with good results here in Aus. | |||
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300gr or 270 gr they are very destructive to flesh... And will penetrate a buf skull if need be.... You won't look back... Mike | |||
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As you mentioned...the 300 is better. Most buff are shot inside of 75 yards...and evn most are shot inside of 50 yards... So when you say doesn't like them? I suspect they are sub minute of cape buffalo... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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i guess the TSX is okay if your prepared to have them do something erratic every so often, if not use the north fork, you wont regret it DANIEL | |||
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My neighbor uses the 270 TSX on Buffalo and loves them. Remember, forgivness is easier to get than permission. | |||
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TERRY you love them till they cause you grief, and then the learning curve is very steep!! Daniel | |||
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I second the 300 gr North Fork soft, picture perfect when recovered from cape buff. | |||
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Thanks for all of the replies. I am headed to Zambia in September and am thinking about whether I want to use my .450 Dakota on the buff and the .375 for everything else or just use the .375 for everything. The biggest drawback for me with my .450 is the weight of the rifle at about 11 1/2 lbs whereas my .375 is right at about 9 lbs. I understand that the 300 grainers are probably better but there is a confidence factor that comes into play, for me at least, in that I have had such good luck with the 270 TSX and have such tremendous confidence in both my and the rifle's ability to put the bullet exactly where I want it to go. The bullet just shoots like a laser for me. Cheers, Andy | |||
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Andy IMPO confidance is 90% of the battle won if you know your gun and its capabilities it boost confidance. Bullets are like cars every brand has its followers and you will struggle to convince them otherwise. it comes down to 3 things Confidance,shot placement and a premuim bullet. there is not one person or product that has not failed yet look at the Titanic. a well placed 270gr will do the job. and it will take all the demons out of your head when you aim at that trophy its the last place you need to wonder about things your mind must be clear and focus on the job ahead "Buy land they have stopped making it"- Mark Twain | |||
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adrook, you can use them with all the confedance in the world. They acn also fail, like all other, but i have seen more failuers from Nosler Partition on PG, never mind buff, than of any weight Barnes-X on buffalo. They are well loved on this site though... On buffalo, I have seen 4 failures of softs so far- 3 Nosler partition 300gr (out of .375H&H), and 1x400gr .416 Remington Swift A-Frame. I have seen about a handful of Rhino bullets losing some pedals, but it never failed to penetrate very deepy, and in a straight line. I have seen no failure yet with a Barnes-X, not on buffalo nor PG. I agree 300gr would be best, but in a design like Barnes-X, you will get away with 10% less weight because of the high weight retention factor and deep penetration of these bullets. Karl Stumpfe Ndumo Hunting Safaris www.huntingsafaris.net karl@huntingsafaris.net P.O. Box 1667, Katima Mulilo, Namibia Cell: +264 81 1285 416 Fax: +264 61 254 328 Sat. phone: +88 163 166 9264 | |||
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Barnes recommends the 270 over the 300 grain, if that's worth anything. I had a bad experience with a 400 grain .416 on buffalo, and agree that they can sometimes do freakish things. Mine did a 90 degree turn.  | |||
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M98 Are you getting Norfolks here in Australia? | |||
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YES Daniel | |||
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Adrook, I used the 270gr Barnes TS to take my buffalo in Zambia in 05. Worked great for me and my Ruger 375 H&H shot them into 5/8 inch groups. They even expanded on a puku and a hyena. | |||
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This might be a stupid question, but why use a light bullet like 270 gr on buff? Wouldn’t it be better to use a heavy bullet as possible, like 350 gr Woodleighs. Again, this might be a stupid question, but since my experience isn’t as high as some of you "experts", ill ask anyway. Rino | |||
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9.3x74, a very valid question. The answer lies in the accuracy that the specific rifle achieves. I personally believe heavier is better, but not 350 Woodleigh, which is probably a worse choice than the 270gr BarnesTSX. (Too soft for my liking.) If you want to go heavier, go to the 350/ 380 gr Rhino bullets. They work like a dream. Karl Stumpfe Ndumo Hunting Safaris www.huntingsafaris.net karl@huntingsafaris.net P.O. Box 1667, Katima Mulilo, Namibia Cell: +264 81 1285 416 Fax: +264 61 254 328 Sat. phone: +88 163 166 9264 | |||
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You can certainly go to a heavier bullet than a 270 grs, but if your choice is a mono-metal like the TSX, you'll soon find that you run out of space in the comparatively small .375 H&H case. Even the 270 grs TSX has to be seated pretty deeply - unless you have a very long throated chamber. Besides, if you decide a TSX is a good bullet choice, the general rule is to stay one notch below the bullet weight compared to what you would use in bullets with a lead core. Not only do the TSX provide much deeper penetration than most lead core bullets, you also want to drive them as fast as possible. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Use your .450 on buff and the .375 on everything else. John | |||
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Just my thoughts.......... .375 is the minimum caliber for Buff......why would I use anything less than the maximum bullet weight for such a dangerous quarry?  Dave "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." -Thomas Paine, "American Crisis" | |||
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My thoughts and experience is that you might need fast bullets and high velocity on long range-shooting at game like springbuck and other game that you might hunt in open grasslands. I don’t think this is the matter when hunting buffalo. For me, hunting buffalo, antelopes or other animals is not “long distance shootingâ€, but to get as close to the game as possible, and make “a good hit at the right placeâ€. To do this I don’t need to squeeze the last few feet out of my loadings, but manage well with moderate velocity, heavy-for-caliber bullets that have good sectional density and higher momentum than lighter bullets of the same caliber. Sure, 450 and other bigger calibers might be better, but we are talking about 375, so I suggest we keep it that way. Rino | |||
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I wouldn't recommend it for a frontal chest shot on Buff.... but why not simply go for either a heavier bullet of a different make or the heavier bullet of the same make with a slightly different load. alternatively, just use the bigger calibre. You'll probably be shooting your Buff at 50 yards or closer - In all the years I've been in the business, I've only had a handful of clients take them at over 60 yards and only one at over 100 yards........... So go for the biggest calibre you've got. | |||
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yup!! | |||
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Conditional on accuracy preferences of the given rifle, and keep in mind: With a 12" twist .375 (most common): use up to 300-grain copper monometals. O.K. with 350-grain bimetal lead and copper. With a 14" twist .416 (most common): use up to 400-grain copper mono's. Anything longer is really suspect, but the 400-410-grain bimetal lead and copper are fine. CZ .375 twist is 14": use the 270-grain copper mono. O.K. with 300-grain bimetal lead and copper. CZ .416 twist is 16.5": use the 350-grain copper mono. O.K. with 400-410-grain bimetal lead and copper. Or use a 10" twist custom barrel on any big bore of .375 caliber or larger and use every damn bullet type and weight made!  | |||
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 If buffalo can be killed effectively with a 9,3/250 gr Barnes-X or TSX bullet, the heavier 270 grainer in the .375 is a sure bet. The reputation of the 380 gr Rhino Solid Shank is very good amongst PH's even though velocity runs low (2180 fps to 2220 fps) due to a long bullet (40 mm's) that robs powder capacity. Warrior | |||
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Okay, so does everyone consider "bullet" failure here. With loads that were considered bullet failures, did the animal die in the end, or where an extraordinary number of shots needed to anchor the animal (either from the hunter or the PH's gun)after the first shot hit the animal. Was the failure caused by poor shot placement either cause the hunter shot poorly or did the animal turn or run just as the shot was touched off, was brush or somethign else hit by the bullet before it hit the animal in question? I've found that 300 gr Nosler partitions work very well in my .375 H&H CZ 550 and while no DG is on my 2008 list (except leopard), some large plains game is and I want to keep things simple at this point and not redo a bunch of load development, and stick to ONE loading for this rifle and rather use the range time I have left in off the bench type practice with this 300 gr load. | |||
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M98, just out of interest, what went wrong with your TSX and was this a one off or a few times. I have used the TSX heads in reloading for some time in .308, .375 and .458 and always been impressed by their accuracy and weight retention. I have only had one .375 TSX do a 90 degree on buffalo which worked out well in the end. It sounds like you had a fairly negative experience? | |||
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I say use what ever bullet you want,it's your safari! The one thing I say is, if you use the 270 gr bullet at all, then use it for everything you shoot, with the 375 H&H rifle. Any good PH will tell you, if asked, the worse client is the guy who thinks he has to have a different load for each animal he hunts! He never knows where the rifle is going to hit the target, or what is in his rifle at any given time. ONE WEIGHT, for everything in a rifle is the best choice, and IMO, the heavy for caliber is the best choice as well! For me, personally,I would use the 450 to shoot my buffalo, and use the 375 H&H 270 for everything else! I always use heavy for caliber bullets in every rifle I use. It makes no difference, if I'm hunting dik dik, or dinosaur, I use the dinosaur bullet for everything. Works for me! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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