500grains,

It is IMPOSSIBLE to ban anyone who is determined to be on this forum.

I might ban him logging in using one ID, he can just as soon get another one.

In the old days we used to be able to ban their IP address.

Nowadays many Internet providers use dynamic IP addresses - that is the same IP address gets used by many of thier members.

Hence we end up banning several members because one is causing trouble.

Whether you agree with them or not, those who have asked for you to be banned feel just as strongly about you as you feel about Wynwood.

And to be honest with you, I think it is so silly for anyone to ask us to ban another member.

A lot of all the silly arguments would not have much steam if others did not get involved in them.

So my advice is to ignore those you think are baiting you. That way there is nothing for them to get excited about.

That's some assumtion by 500grs my taking jorgie to nip someone's heels.
Could it be I just like the name jorgie? Heck I adore the name 500grams,too.
No personal attacks needed. I've only met a very few AR members face to face, and left enjoying their company. The remainder are faceless screen names. Some posters IMHO have severe ego problems. That's their problem not mine I couldn't care less. Some spend way too much time being concerned about the happenings on this web site. Heck if that's their form of enjoyment I could care less. A very few seem to feel they need to perform some sort of "public service" to other members of AR. IMHO more to try shapeing AR into what THEY want AR to be rather than any public service.
Saeed has been the constant gentleman. Yet one or two members bolstered by the few faceless online backers they've gleened over the years actually have the nads to try infering how he should run his own site...talk about gall those statements alone should be enough to show other AR members the type of personality they posess.
Now back to topics about Africa and reloading. Let the silliness lie. Bashing posters over DBL Gun sales they weren't involved in or safaris they never weren't on or privy to actual phone conversations while it was setup, do no one justice nor improve this site. Seems like all it resulted in was some good posters such as Alan Day leaving AR.
This 1 and only time I'll offer my hand as a gentleman asking for the back biting to cease. Grasp it or slap it away that is the choice a very few of you have. But this inane "my dick is bigger than yours", "I killed an elephant and you didn't" BS is getting old we are all hunters with an interest in Africa or we wouldn't be here to begin with.
First round of Tafel is on me boys..toss some more mopane wood on the fire and let's talk hunting. jorgie

Actually, all you have to do is delete the account with the handle ('jorgie') that is used to stir up trouble. No need to ban IP addresses, so the concern you voiced above is unfounded. Of course wynnwood could re-register with a new handle and participate in a productive manner. Unless you prefer to have him continue trolling.

By the way, was Ted Gorsline banned from AR recently?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
500grains,

It is IMPOSSIBLE to ban anyone who is determined to be on this forum.

I might ban him logging in using one ID, he can just as soon get another one.

In the old days we used to be able to ban their IP address.

Nowadays many Internet providers use dynamic IP addresses - that is the same IP address gets used by many of thier members.

Hence we end up banning several members because one is causing trouble.

Whether you agree with them or not, those who have asked for you to be banned feel just as strongly about you as you feel about Wynwood.

And to be honest with you, I think it is so silly for anyone to ask us to ban another member.

A lot of all the silly arguments would not have much steam if others did not get involved in them.

So my advice is to ignore those you think are baiting you. That way there is nothing for them to get excited about.

500grains,

Ted Gorsline has not been banned, and so far I have not seen anything "jorgie" has done to ban him either.

In fact, I find his last post reflects the opinions of a number of members we have here.

500grains, i have been on AR almost sincwe day one, 97 or 98 i cant remember. What I do remember is you were a nice guy and did not want to ban people or get involved in controling things, i didnt follow the Ray thing it wasnt my business.

But i have awalys liked you but why have you changed? wanting to ban people? being mean? being controlling? thats type of action post after post dosent contribute anything to the board just like the trolls, nothing but a series of posts that have nothing to do with reloading, hunting etc. Look at your recent posts and see how many actually have to do with our common interests or you enforcing your will against the world.

Your a great man smart and can be a huge assett to AR like you were for years , I vote to bring back the old 500grains he was a helkl of a guy.

I'm not going to argue this topic with you on this as it would just bring forth more drama, but please dont take this as an insult but a complement of the person you were here in the past. think about it, no hard feelings, all the best to you and your family.

LVEric,

IMO Dan's a lot more mellow now than two or three years ago!

Saeed,

Please recall that jorgie/CATS/Wynnwood/driver/chugach, et al. posted Howard Hill's archery hunting pictures from Africa claiming that they were his own trophy photos. He also told us he had been hunting in Africa since just after World War II (which would make him more than 80 years old) and that he is a full time guide in Alaska.

People come to AR to get factual, helpful information. I am surprised that you would align yourself with someone who intentionally posts false information here, and who otherwise attempts to cause disruption.
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LVEric,

Thank you for your kind wishes. All of us are here because we have a strong interest in African hunting and hopefully that interest can continue. I hope that you can see from the information above that my intention is only to eliminate a harm that is being done to the group. Ultimately, of course, this is Saeed's forum and he will decide who stays and who goes. But when people like cats/jorgie receive support and encouragement, it is not hard to guess why there has been a decrease in traffic on the African hunting forum.

LVEric, You have been around here long enough to remember all the trouble we had with a certain member Carmello. IMHO, 500 is simply trying to head this guy off at the pass and expose him for what he is before it turns into a mess like that was. He's simply calling a spade a spade.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Saeed,

Please recall that jorgie/CATS/Wynnwood/driver/chugach, et al. posted Howard Hill's archery hunting pictures from Africa claiming that they were his own trophy photos. He also told us he had been hunting in Africa since just after World War II (which would make him more than 80 years old) and that he is a full time guide in Alaska.

People come to AR to get factual, helpful information. I am surprised that you would align yourself with someone who intentionally posts false information here, and who otherwise attempts to cause disruption.
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LVEric,

Thank you for your kind wishes. All of us are here because we have a strong interest in African hunting and hopefully that interest can continue. I hope that you can see from the information above that my intention is only to eliminate a harm that is being done to the group. Ultimately, of course, this is Saeed's forum and he will decide who stays and who goes. But when people like cats/jorgie receive support and encouragement, it is not hard to guess why there has been a decrease in traffic on the African hunting forum.

500grains,

I think apart from Carmelo, I have received more complaints about you than anyone else, especially on the sheephunter-Pierre van Tonder thread.

People were writing and asking how the hell can you form such an opinion about Pierre when you have never met the man!

You chose to base your opinion of him on what was claimed about him by ONE individual. Conveniently ignoring everything the rest of us, who have hunted with him?

I have said it before, and I will repeat it here hoping it might sink into your head.

NO ONE has appointed you to police what is said on this forum.

You also might bear in mind that this is NOT a commercial site.

We do not have to prove how much traffic we get so we can have more advertisers.

AR is for the enjoyment of hunters and shooters. Some of whom do get tired of all the senseless arguments we have sometimes.

Several members think you are the cause of these arguments.

I try not to interfer in these arguments, and certainly not pay attention to anyone who asks me to ban one member or another just because he does not agree with him.

May be you should follow your own advice, and at least TRY not to cause so many disruptions by creating endless arguments!

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People were writing and asking how the hell can you form such an opinion about Pierre when you have never met the man!

You mean like your opinion of GWB?

Saeed,

I did not want to turn this into another sheephunter/PVT thread, but as you have brought up the issues I will respond below. My point in this thread was about CATS/jorgie/et al., and there are quite a few of us who are disappointed that that forum management seems to encourage his behavior.

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Originally posted by Saeed:


I think apart from Carmelo, I have received more complaints about you than anyone else, especially on the sheephunter-Pierre van Tonder thread.

That may be true, but I have not ever seen evidence of it.

quote:

People were writing and asking how the hell can you form such an opinion about Pierre when you have never met the man!

You chose to base your opinion of him on what was claimed about him by ONE individual.

Actually, no I based it in part on the statements and actions of his agent, and in part on the statements made by owner of the concession where the hunt was supposed to take place. There were multiple postings by his friends that there was some super secret exculpatory evidence, but no one ever came forth with it. Also keep in mind that I am not a lone person in the wilderness. I have received numerous PMs suggesting that the PVT/Atkinson thing not be left to die as it remains unresolved, but I walked away from it until you brought it up again.

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Conveniently ignoring everything the rest of us, who have hunted with him?

The sheephunter business was never about whether or not you had a good hunt with him. It was about whether SH was provided a hunt other than what he contracted for, and whether the reasons for the 'last minute change' were true or not. If you think PVT is a great outfitter, then I am happy for you and I encourage you to hunt with whomever you wish.

By the way, Ted Gorsline reports that he is not able to log into his AR account. Maybe he was not banned, but apparently something happened to his password. Perhaps Don can fix it for him.

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Originally posted by 500grains:

By the way, Ted Gorsline reports that he is not able to log into his AR account. Maybe he was not banned, but apparently something happened to his password. Perhaps Don can fix it for him.

I too have heard the same thing from Gorsline.

In fact, he sent me his login info, just in case it was his computer that was causing the problem, to see if I was able to help him.

Oddly, his login info didn't work from my computer either.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Saeed,

By the way, Ted Gorsline reports that he is not able to log into his AR account. Maybe he was not banned, but apparently something happened to his password. Perhaps Don can fix it for him.

His account shows just fine from the admin screen. I need to hear from him directly tho before I go changing passwords willy nilly.

He probably doesn't want to email either Saeed or me after the obnoxious names he's called us.

Don

I hate to get off topic but I have a globstar don't waste your money i'm told there is a problem with their satellites that they can't repair the service in north america sucks I
would think its worse elsewhere

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Originally posted by 500grains:
But when people like cats/jorgie receive support and encouragement, it is not hard to guess why there has been a decrease in traffic on the African hunting forum.

Decreased traffic?

What do you base this on?

Our traffic is at record high levels.

Don

Don, I based it on personal observation on the AH forum, not on overall site visit numbers. It seems like there were more new topics and more posts a couple of years ago, but that is merely a subjective impression.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Don, I based it on personal observation on the AH forum, not on overall site visit numbers. It seems like there were more new topics and more posts a couple of years ago, but that is merely a subjective impression.

Unfortunately our forum software just tracks total forum posts/visits.

These are the numbers:


Period Avg: Page views posts visits

QTR ending 9/30 98842 1381 8974
2006 (YTD) 87225 1224 7677
2005 54441 1078 4416

In the past 2 years we have also almost doubled our members. People do a lot of viewing 98,000 page views each day yet only 1381 posts.


Don

Could it be possible readers/members grew weary of the arguments over matters most posters had little or no business becoming involved in?
Respectfully 500grs, you and a very few others beat some subjects to death which you were really none of your business, ie. Ray/PVT. I wonder if it was your quest for facts or your dislike of Ray that prodded you forward with such vengance.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Don, I based it on personal observation on the AH forum, not on overall site visit numbers. It seems like there were more new topics and more posts a couple of years ago, but that is merely a subjective impression.

I have also felt that some of the forums were slower, but it is purely subjective. Others, like the Political board, are going gangbusters...

I guess CATS/Wynnwood/jorgie is now posting under the name stubs. Perhaps Don can double check the IP addresses to see if they are the same.

Sorry to enter this non-substantive post, but sometimes you just gotta swat at the mopane flies.

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Originally posted by stubs:
Could it be possible readers/members grew weary of the arguments over matters most posters had little or no business becoming involved in?
Respectfully 500grs, you and a very few others beat some subjects to death which you were really none of your business, ie. Ray/PVT. I wonder if it was your quest for facts or your dislike of Ray that prodded you forward with such vengance.

Quite knowledgable for a 2 post fellow. We'll wait for the "I have been reading this site for years and just decided to register" explanation.

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Originally posted by DRG:

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
But when people like cats/jorgie receive support and encouragement, it is not hard to guess why there has been a decrease in traffic on the African hunting forum.

Decreased traffic?

What do you base this on?

Our traffic is at record high levels.

Don

Don,

This is just the usual sort of last ditch some people employ.

"If I don't get my way, AR is going to die"

I wonder how many time you and me have heard this from disgruntled members full of their own self importance?

Amazing how some people go to Africa a couple of times and come back thinking they, and only they, must have the last word on anything to do with hunting in Africa.

500grains,

AR is a free website.

One is free to join just as much as one is free to go somewhere else.

We do not ask much from our members, apart from being civil to each other.

Ultimately we make the rules, and these rules are NOT open for discussion.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
I guess CATS/Wynnwood/jorgie is now posting under the name stubs. Perhaps Don can double check the IP addresses to see if they are the same.

Sorry to enter this non-substantive post, but sometimes you just gotta swat at the mopane flies.

I have checked the IP.

Appropriate action has been taken.

May we remind everyone here that you are allowed ONE log in per member.

Trolls will not be encouraged, Halloween or not.

Don

Claudeb- We will not permit folks trying to hijack a thread!!!

Saeed and Don, thank you for taking appropriate action. That is all that jorge and I asked for in this thread. It was unfortunate that things got sidetracked into a discussion of a prior hunt gone bad which obviously causes some people to become angry.

Best regards.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Saeed,

Please recall that jorgie/CATS/Wynnwood/driver/chugach, et al. posted Howard Hill's archery hunting pictures from Africa claiming that they were his own trophy photos. He also told us he had been hunting in Africa since just after World War II (which would make him more than 80 years old) and that he is a full time guide in Alaska.

People come to AR to get factual, helpful information. I am surprised that you would align yourself with someone who intentionally posts false information here, and who otherwise attempts to cause disruption.
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LVEric,

Thank you for your kind wishes. All of us are here because we have a strong interest in African hunting and hopefully that interest can continue. I hope that you can see from the information above that my intention is only to eliminate a harm that is being done to the group. Ultimately, of course, this is Saeed's forum and he will decide who stays and who goes. But when people like cats/jorgie receive support and encouragement, it is not hard to guess why there has been a decrease in traffic on the African hunting forum.

500grains,

I think apart from Carmelo, I have received more complaints about you than anyone else, especially on the sheephunter-Pierre van Tonder thread.

People were writing and asking how the hell can you form such an opinion about Pierre when you have never met the man!

You chose to base your opinion of him on what was claimed about him by ONE individual. Conveniently ignoring everything the rest of us, who have hunted with him?

I have said it before, and I will repeat it here hoping it might sink into your head.

NO ONE has appointed you to police what is said on this forum.

You also might bear in mind that this is NOT a commercial site.

We do not have to prove how much traffic we get so we can have more advertisers.

AR is for the enjoyment of hunters and shooters. Some of whom do get tired of all the senseless arguments we have sometimes.

Several members think you are the cause of these arguments.

I try not to interfer in these arguments, and certainly not pay attention to anyone who asks me to ban one member or another just because he does not agree with him.

May be you should follow your own advice, and at least TRY not to cause so many disruptions by creating endless arguments!

Let's all please keep in mind that when I am left in peace I don't cause a stir.

Since there have been no attacks on me in this forum as of late, you will note that I have not precipitated any.