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These two species I believe will pass from the wild before my life ends: The Ethiopian Wolf: only 200-400 left. These things are not that big and live above the tree line subsiding on rodents. I have no idea how they became so depleted; Javan rhino about 75 left; African wild dog 6k remaining in wild; And Tiger | ||
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I'm betting on us eventually. The only species you listed that I have seen in the wild and not in a park are wild dogs. At the end of days, only cockroaches and rats will be left. You couldn't wipe them out even though we've tried for centuries. Leopards might be the third survivor. They could make a good living off the rats. | |||
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I have to seriously question the wild dog numbers. I see them regularly in the wild. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I wasn’t meant to live in the world that is becoming. Wild places are a part of me. A hunter who I am. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That is the count. Maybe where you hunt has high concentration of a forgone population. These contracted numbers for any of them cannot be good for genetic diversity. Once you get down to 75, like the rhino genetic diversity is the least of your problems. | |||
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I am sure the count you posted is the published count. I just question its validity. I have seen wild dog regularly in many diverse areas across Africa and they are just not that rare to only be 6k left in the wild. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I hope you are right. I know people hated them in days gone by, but as an observer here, I love them. | |||
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Your correct Ledvm, Ive seen wild dogs all over East Africa, I don't believe the 6000 figure one bit. Wild dogs have been plentiful and not unusual to see at all. Hell there's more lions than that and you're don't see them everywhere unless your Saeed!  | |||
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Rhinos from everyone in the know I speak to! | |||
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Same here. I’ve seen numerous packs in Botswana, Namibia, TZ,and RSA. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Passing through Johannesburg, saw a book claiming crocs are becoming extinct. Two days late in Chete in the Luzi River, we could see literally hundreds sunning themselves on the banks  | |||
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https://www.tusk.org/species/mountain-bongo/ Mountain bongo. Population, Critically endangered, with an estimated 100 individuals across four isolated locations in Kenya. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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It wonder where these numbers came from as there is no shortage of this pestilence in Tanzania. Given their ever-increasing numbers and extended geographical occurrence in TZ whoever wants to replenish their dwindling stock would be welcome to take some off our hands and breed them as they did with the Rhino.  | |||
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https://www.nationalgeographic...s-cape-hunting-dogs/ I hope you all right. At the same time, I am cautious that what you are seeing are islands, concentration populations in small “relative” to traditional range populations. The number comes from ICUN. According to the IUCN Red List, only around 6,600 wild dogs remain, mostly in Tanzania, northern Mozambique, and southern Africa. The biggest threats facing the species come from their increased contact with humans: habitat loss, villagers seeking revenge against killed livestock, and viral diseases contracted from domestic dogs. | |||
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Wild dogs, the SVC has been trying to find someone/someplace to relocate a few packs to, no takers from what I was told by the folks on the ground there | |||
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I think you mean extinct, not instinct. But I agree it will not be wild dogs. Too wary, wily and protected. A pack of wild dogs boldly staring at you as if they were sizing you up for dinner will shiver your spine. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Yes. Not with fighting the type screen. Instinct being a natural, imbedded fixed pattern of behavior. | |||
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I think everyone understood what you meant. It’s just that I am paid to pay attention to details, such as and including the awful and mundane task of proofreading. But not wild dogs. No way. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I know. I was acknowledging. No emotion ms here. Take care. | |||
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Not everyone is a fan of wild dogs, I reckon. On a recent safari, we were told that some neighbours were going go hunting wild dogs the very next morning and we could come along if we wished. They had been killing a lot of cattle, apparently and the ranchers were intent on making them even more endangered, it seems. I have never seen a wild dog, myself. Nor was I interested seeing them that way. On a couple of safaris I was told by outfitters that they were not happy if the dogs were in the area. Both threatened the critters. | |||
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Another vote for the estimated numbers of Wild Dogs being far too low. We've seen them in Tanzania, Zim and in Bots they chased an impala right through our camp in daylight. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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The difference between dogs and wolves is three missed meals. If you don’t believe me, check out any war zone. Wild dogs will survive! USMC Retired DSC Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Wild dogs are quite easy to count, with their unique coat patterns. They do best in areas with at least some game, and low densities of lions. Selous has a lot of wild dogs these days. In many national parks lion densities are higher, so dog densities lower. | |||
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Extinct in my lifetime? Apart from the legion of amphibian species, some unknown to science, going extinct annually due to a fungus disease, I would nominate any species with a distribution mainly in Somalia. Particularly the Hirola. If the Kenyans would allow some to be exported to South Africa or Texas I am sure this fine game animal would thrive to become a huntable population just like the Addax and the Scimitar-horned Oryx. Not much chance of that happening though. They would rather the species became extinct rather than admit their failure to ensure it's survival. | |||
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Attwater’s Prairie Chicken. I think there is only about 100 remaining. It is doomed. Go Duke!! | |||
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned cheetah. They say that there are only 7,000 left, and I believe that they are doomed due to lack of genetic diversity? I could be all wrong. I do know that I saw a number of them in Namibia. I even know a guy who shot a couple as a favor for a rancher. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Most of the hunted species will be consumed by our overpopulation. I like to imagine a world with only 3 billion humans. | |||
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Yes I thought the same, but there are a lot of Cheetah around, see them plenty in Namibia & South Africa & there were a lot in Zim back in the day, not sure on currant status there ? But in the long view I think Cheetahs would go Extinct as they are a little too specialized & can be chased off their kills by most things & nearly everybody who has them on private land wants them dead & gone (same with the Wild Dog) too much killing of expensive Game & stock, places I know would prefer Leopards & at least you can get a bit of money every now & then from selling hunts for them . | |||
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I had an outfitter tell me tongue in cheek that he’d charge me a trophy fee if I saw a cheetah and didn’t shoot it. If I’d had to shoot I guarantee it would have been a miss. The hunting imperative was part of every man's soul; some denied or suppressed it, others diverted it into less blatantly violent avenues of expression, wielding clubs on the golf course or racquets on the court, substituting a little white ball for the prey of flesh and blood. Wilbur Smith | |||
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It would depend on geographical location as again, same as as with Wild Dogs, Tanzania has no shortage of Cheetahs as they have (and still are) been protected long before the Wild Dog gained that status. I would not however rank them in the same killing category as the Wild Dog as Cheetahs do not travel in packs and not all stalks are as successful as those of the Wild Dog nor do they have to kill as often. | |||
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I do not think that these island, concentration populations can keep a species around once you get into the single thousand digits. I say that and New Foundland moose started w only 4. | |||
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I saw the exact same thing in the Selous. Wild dogs chased an impala right through the boma while we were eating breakfast! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Cheetah are more rare than wild dog. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Wouldn’t the isolated concentrations of sheep and mountain goats in North America disprove that hypothesis? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Saeed, Humans will got extinct with or without lawyers. And as hard as it is for you to accept, I'm human too. :-) | |||
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Yes, their rarity is governed more by ideal habitat which allows for the Cheetah to hunt its prey successfully and they don't hunt in packs like Wild Dogs whose kill rate is closer to 100% as opposed to the Cheetah's 50/50. | |||
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Yet cheetah are huntable, and wild dogs not. (Import into the US being a different thing.) I’ve seen Ethiopian wolves. I agree they are on the way out as Ethiopia continues to increase in population. I have personally seen way too many wild dogs (Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Zambia) to buy that they are that critically endangered. Not saying I want to hunt them, but that control measures are needed. They are successful enough predators that they lead to boom and bust cycles. | |||
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