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Not to take anything away from Bengo and nixons showdown with a not quite dead buff. In that situation where your off to the side off the charge should the client be pooring lead into the shoulders or try to spine the animal? The spine or brain seems like an awful small target, where the high shoulder shot is probably more doable for the average guy. I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same. | ||
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Hey Thunder, I’m not a PH but if I’m the target of a mad buffalo, here’s what I want! I want somebody to be slamming that bastard in the heart/lung/shoulder /spine area as fast and often as they can, and I’ll be doing the same from to front! ………………………………ME!.. .THE PH!. ANOTHER CLIENT.......................................... ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Having been charged by a very angry buffalo, I can assure you that just hitting the damned thing is a feat in itself. When you're a client who is trying to not get stomped, aiming doesn't happen, you just point at black stuff and pull the trigger. | |||
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+1 on that. I was charged once, about five years ago we were following a wounded buff. The PH fired once then his bolt action .458 jammed. Initially I couldn't see the buff but I could see the bushes moving our way and could hear the crashing getting very close and everyone yelling! I ran toward the PH and there he was, 30 feet away!! I put both barrels into the "center of the black", buff went down, gave a death bellow, end of story. Damned glad I was carrying a .500 NE double. Was I aiming?...sort of. Geronimo | |||
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And there you have it. Positive proof that the double 500 is MORE adequate than the scoped 375! Not to be too flippant about it but, this story illustrates how your PH, even though highly trained and competent, and carrying a stopper caliber for when the butter gets thin, is still human and not infallible, nor is his equipment. It is possible for you to find yourself in a situation of needing to save your own bacon. Do you want to be carrying the "minimun" required rifle under those circumstances? Maybe so, but not me! | |||
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The "high shoulder" and spine are almost silhouetted. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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BTW when a buff is facing me, I try to put the bullet just under the chin. This will usually break the spine at the shoulder where it dips down and drop the animal on the spot | |||
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I don't know about the incident mentioned and have a shite internet connection so haven't bothered searching for it but FWIW, a determined charge can only be stopped absolutely by a good solid hit to the central nervous system and anyone who succeeds in stopping said charge by just blazing away is quite honestly, very lucky. Also FWIW, a buff usually starts a charge with his head held high, then he stretches his neck with slightly lowered head in mid charge (as he gets up to speed) and lowers it just before the anticipated impact. The best way to prevent said impact is to shoot for whatever part of the central nervous system is best presented at the time. At the last moment and if the shooter has the presence of mind, he can shoot above the head and into the spine but he'd better be ready to move bloody quickly because if he doesn't, he'll have the (live or dead) buffalo (depending on the accuracy of the shot) piling into him. | |||
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Charging or not, if a buffalo is close enough, I shoot it in the head. I have done that many times with a 375, and they all dropped at the shot. Trying to shoot a charging buffalo anywhere else is not advisable. | |||
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Ponodoro Taylor's advice to a young PH and much the same question was to put the bullet into the chest so that the buffalo will not go on to worry anyone else. I have not hunted many buffalo and there are many more here that are more qualified to answer. I have had only two charges and distinctly remember having to snap shoot at the centre of the black mass, and fortunately with good result. One was shot under the chin and severed the spine and one was over the boss into the thick of the neck which missed the spine but stunned the animal enough to put a second bullet in. On both occasions I would have been advantaged if I had a double rifle. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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+1 Merry Xmas Steve | |||
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you too my friend and I hope yours is warmer than mine is...... we're freezing our arses off over here! | |||
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The old advice (for the man being charged) was to hit the buff low in the chest with the right barrel (soft point) and then wait until you couldn't miss a brain shot with the left barrel (solid). The logic is- A heart shot buff will seldom turn to finish off a victim it has tossed or run over, so if you fluff the brain (or spine shooting under the chin) at least it will only hit you once. Having only ever faced buffalo charges when armed with a bolt action I have waited until I couldn't miss. For a client or PH off to the side, a high shoulder shot that breaks the spine is the simplist way (and biggest target)...and the term 'belt feed' comes to mind - keep shooting until you hit the spine or weight of lead causes the legs to collapse | |||
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I'm not a P.H. of course and I've only experienced only one buffalo charge. That said, I event occured at a totally unexpected moment when the rest of the safari party (except the game scout) was on one side of a tree and I was on the other. It was immediately evident that the result of what the buffalo started was going to be entirely up to me. Believe it or not, I distinctly remember wondering "How the heck do the guys who do this for a living (and post on A.R.) shoot one of these suckers in the brain?" As stated below, the oncoming buffalo was swinging (and bobbing) his head and a shot anywhere but the center of the chest (and through the heart) seemed like the only possibility in the second or so I had to think about it. Whatever, it worked. From an earlier post by me:
Here's the rest of the story if anyone gives a dadgum: An Unintended Buffalo JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Head shot for me.I had a up close encounter with two of the three buff I shot.One was with PH Alan Shearing.I had shot the buff from about 100yds and broke his shoulder.The buff was standing but could or did not want to run off.We slowly came up to him within 20 yds and he stood there facing me while the other buff beside him thought about protecting him putting his head down and coming slightly in our direction before veering off.I then put a 500gr a-frame in the wounded buff`s head and he went right down and shook.The second buff was a buff I had shot from about 200yds with PH Richard Tabor.I spined him and he remained down until we approached within 10yds.When I was being given instructions to follow quickly and get into position for a dispatching shot,I was shocked to see it get up,eye me,put his head down and try to turn around a bush and come at me before his hind legs gave out on the inclination he was on and come sliding down and becoming pinned down behind that bush. | |||
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That be the norm. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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