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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
I hope that's your final word, since you can't give examples of what you write.

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
I hope that's your final word, since you can't give examples of what you write.

Ok...... As you appear a tad dense tonight, I'll try to keep it simple for you.

I was trying to make what I consider could be a valid point with humour but as both went entirely over your head and you got into pompous old git mode before you put your brain into gear, I'll try to explain the valid point.

If African countries start to use the USD as currency, where do you think those notes they use come from? Are they taken from the existing USD stocks and not replaced, are more printed or do you think the African country prints it's own USD or does the African President just wave a magic wand & the USD magically appear? - I'd have thought there's a fairly obvious answer on that one and I'll leave you to work it out for yourself.

Now moving on. when a country prints more of it's own currency OR if inflation occurs in a country that particular currency is used in (whether it's the home country or not) it can very easily damage the economy of all countries that use that currency.

If a 3rd party country starts to use the USD and then if some of that USD finds it's way back to the USA then there is more currency in the system than there is meant to be and that can affect the US economy. - Uncle Bob proved that in spades with the Zim dollar and that is the reason the country had ot adopt the USD in the first place. Not of course that I'm suggesting African politicians might take hard currency out of their own system & move it elsewhere of course!

As another example of how currency problems can occur, take a look at the EUSSR and let's use a litre of fuel and an orange as an example (try not to get lost here).

In France a litre of fuel and an orange might cost E5 combined. In Portugal, E4. In Germany E6 and that is one of the various things that are stuffing up the economies of the various individual countries in the EU.

Admittedly, it's only one of many factors but it is a factor.

And if you think that African countries using the USD can't have an adverse effect on the US economy, I think you're mistaken. I'm not suggesting it definitely will just that it could.

The fact that your failure to understand my point or the humorous way I was trying to present it makes you perhaps less than bright and your attitude and comments make you a pompous old git.

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Originally posted by Full Roar:

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It is still cheaper for an American to hunt in RSA than to hunt an Elk of spend a vacation in Hawaii

Incorrect. It is way less expensive to go on a elk hunt or long vacation in Florida.
#1-there is not that huge airline cost to go from US to anywhere in Africa. From the west coast we are paying over 3K just to fly to Africa.
#2 - Very few US outfitters can get away with charging a trophy fee for an elk -you pay for a tag for the animal from the state and the outfitter rates do not change once an animal is taken. There is also no refund if you do not get an elk. You are paying for the guide only. The tags are considerably less in most respects than trophy fee for a similar animal i.e. Elk -v- Kudu or Sable. Unfortunately, some of the American guides are getting wise to how it is done in Africa and the trophy fee thing is starting to raise its ugly head here. You book a moose hunt and happen to get a chance at a bear and wham - they hit you with a trophy fee. The guys I know and deal with don't do that, I don't do that, but it is starting to become more prevalent and is something I don't agree with as you have already paid for the guides time and the tags from the states.

A 7 day elk hunt in the US in will range from 3k to 10K - dependent on where you go and how large the elk are supposed to be in the particular area. Some of the luxury lodges and Indian reservations tend to get a bit more, but they are tailored for distinct clients, luxury lodges have more staff, the Indians are simply more greedy and definatly less helpful. Personally I would not pay over $4k for an elk hunt, there are literally hundreds of elk guides, some good some bad just like Africa, but most know the area and can get you close to a good elk from 4-6k total cost including getting there

I recently just came back from Florida. I took my wife on a ten day trip to Key West-Probably one of the more expensive areas of Florida. The airfare for both of us was a little over 1k, the motel we stayed at was $200 per night and we went fishing three days, flats, offshore wrecks and deep sea. The boats cost me $600, $800 and $1000 respectively and we did a lot of sight seeing, activities, fine dining and drinking it up. My total cost for the trip was less than 8K, and my wife can spend money.

Now, if you were to compare a guided Alaskan moose hunt to a plains game hunt in RSA you would be right. It costs a lot more to get to where the big moose are

Not bagging on you guys in Africa, I would rather hunt Africa rather than anywhere else, but it does seem some of the costs are getting out of the range of most of us hunters where only the most successful can go, especially after DG

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Originally posted by Full Roar:

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It is still cheaper for an American to hunt in RSA than to hunt an Elk of spend a vacation in Hawaii

Incorrect. It is way less expensive to go on a elk hunt or long vacation in Florida.
#1-there is not that huge airline cost to go from US to anywhere in Africa. From the west coast we are paying over 3K just to fly to Africa.
#2 - Very few US outfitters can get away with charging a trophy fee for an elk -you pay for a tag for the animal from the state and the outfitter rates do not change once an animal is taken. There is also no refund if you do not get an elk. You are paying for the guide only. The tags are considerably less in most respects than trophy fee for a similar animal i.e. Elk -v- Kudu or Sable. Unfortunately, some of the American guides are getting wise to how it is done in Africa and the trophy fee thing is starting to raise its ugly head here. You book a moose hunt and happen to get a chance at a bear and wham - they hit you with a trophy fee. The guys I know and deal with don't do that, I don't do that, but it is starting to become more prevalent and is something I don't agree with as you have already paid for the guides time and the tags from the states.

A 7 day elk hunt in the US in will range from 3k to 10K - dependent on where you go and how large the elk are supposed to be in the particular area. Some of the luxury lodges and Indian reservations tend to get a bit more, but they are tailored for distinct clients, luxury lodges have more staff, the Indians are simply more greedy and definatly less helpful. Personally I would not pay over $4k for an elk hunt, there are literally hundreds of elk guides, some good some bad just like Africa, but most know the area and can get you close to a good elk from 4-6k total cost including getting there

I recently just came back from Florida. I took my wife on a ten day trip to Key West-Probably one of the more expensive areas of Florida. The airfare for both of us was a little over 1k, the motel we stayed at was $200 per night and we went fishing three days, flats, offshore wrecks and deep sea. The boats cost me $600, $800 and $1000 respectively and we did a lot of sight seeing, activities, fine dining and drinking it up. My total cost for the trip was less than 8K, and my wife can spend money.

Now, if you were to compare a guided Alaskan moose hunt to a plains game hunt in RSA you would be right. It costs a lot more to get to where the big moose are

Not bagging on you guys in Africa, I would rather hunt Africa rather than anywhere else, but it does seem some of the costs are getting out of the range of most of us hunters where only the most successful can go, especially after DG

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Originally posted by surestrike:
It costs me $43.00 USD (430.00 rand) plus gas and food to hunt elk.

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Originally posted by pigslayer:
I did a bit of googling and with my personal experience I've formed the following opinion.

if you want a high fenced guaranteed hunt your better off in south Africa. if you want a wild hunt your better off in America.

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Originally posted by dla69:

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Originally posted by pigslayer:
I did a bit of googling and with my personal experience I've formed the following opinion.

if you want a high fenced guaranteed hunt your better off in south Africa. if you want a wild hunt your better off in America.

I hunted elk in Colorado in 2005. The hunt cost $9k + license + transportation. It was a Ranching for Wildlife ranch with high quality animals. We all shot 6x6 animals with my father shooting a real monster.

When I went to Namibia in 2009 to hunt free range kudu, gemsbok, mountain zebra and warthog. My costs (excluding taxidermy) were a little lower than my elk hunting trip (excluding taxidermy).

Both hunts were incredible. That being said, the trip to Namibia was a better value in my mind.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
It costs me $43.00 USD (430.00 rand) plus gas and food to hunt elk.

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by shakari:
Look on the bright side guys........ The way the African economies are going, most African countries will have to abandon their currencies and use the USD just like Zimbobwe does now and that in turn will weaken the dollar and flush your own economy and industrial base down the pan and Obama will tell you how lucky you are to be helping all those poor Africans out with your sacrifice!



Damn but I'm glad to be retired and out of all that shit!

I fail to see any connection between Zimbabwe or any other country (Ecuador, El Salvador, Panama)
using the dollar as their currency and that "flushing our economy and industrial based down the pan". What is the causative factor?

Soooooooo....... can I assume you're not very big on humour then?

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Originally posted by shakari:
We've had 37C over the last few days and that's been a tad hot even for me but those cold & wet UK winters you get over there would kill me nowadays!

Still, you had it helluva nice for Wimbledon huh!

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
We could fix all of this if we had one world currency, one world government, no need for passports or any paper work for guns (oh yea with a one world government you could not own guns) wouldn't life be simpler but not so free for some of us.

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Originally posted by Badger Matt:
Hope the exchange rate is helping African PHs and outfitters make some money. I'll be quite happy if the good ones can all stay in business a bit longer. Never was one to begrudge a man making a living.

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Look a us Europeans.
Central and Northern. It took Romans 500 years of slavery and rules to try to instill civilization in us. Then nothing but dark ages for another 500 years. Then Christianity around 10th century and another 900 years until we became somewhat civilized and once in awhile solvent ( when peace ruled).
Give Africans break. They may get there, but it takes time.
Half the European nations can't run their economies at all. The other half sometimes.
we the people are all the same, no matter what continent

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s. Has anyone noticed hunts adjusted to the current exchange rate?

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Originally posted by pigslayer:

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Originally posted by dla69:

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Originally posted by pigslayer:
I did a bit of googling and with my personal experience I've formed the following opinion.

if you want a high fenced guaranteed hunt your better off in south Africa. if you want a wild hunt your better off in America.

I hunted elk in Colorado in 2005. The hunt cost $9k + license + transportation. It was a Ranching for Wildlife ranch with high quality animals. We all shot 6x6 animals with my father shooting a real monster.

When I went to Namibia in 2009 to hunt free range kudu, gemsbok, mountain zebra and warthog. My costs (excluding taxidermy) were a little lower than my elk hunting trip (excluding taxidermy).

Both hunts were incredible. That being said, the trip to Namibia was a better value in my mind.

ranching for wildlife is definitely the upper end wild elk hunts.

between that hunt and your Namibian hunt, I would also agree there is better value between the two.

in my post the comparison was with south Africa. comparing s.a. and Namibia is apples to oranges.

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Originally posted by leopards valley safaris:

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Originally posted by pigslayer:

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Originally posted by dla69:

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Originally posted by pigslayer:
I did a bit of googling and with my personal experience I've formed the following opinion.

if you want a high fenced guaranteed hunt your better off in south Africa. if you want a wild hunt your better off in America.

I hunted elk in Colorado in 2005. The hunt cost $9k + license + transportation. It was a Ranching for Wildlife ranch with high quality animals. We all shot 6x6 animals with my father shooting a real monster.

When I went to Namibia in 2009 to hunt free range kudu, gemsbok, mountain zebra and warthog. My costs (excluding taxidermy) were a little lower than my elk hunting trip (excluding taxidermy).

Both hunts were incredible. That being said, the trip to Namibia was a better value in my mind.

ranching for wildlife is definitely the upper end wild elk hunts.

between that hunt and your Namibian hunt, I would also agree there is better value between the two.

in my post the comparison was with south Africa. comparing s.a. and Namibia is apples to oranges.

Easy now , just because you had a bad hunt in the Eastlonden area, a area know for tons of small game farms doesnt meen anything.

I will guarantee you 17 000ha ( 40 800 acres) with NO HIGH FENCE, and NO LOW FENCES either teaming with Kudu and Gemsbuck.

I will also tell you of HIGH FENCEDranches in Namibia.

Im sorry you had a bad time in the EC in the wrong area for the hunt YOU wanted, but c`mon dont put us all in the same barrel.

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Originally posted by LHowell:
Dave,

Not to worry about anything Pigslayer says on this subject.

He obviously has some sort of anti- South Africa thing going.



As you know, much of South Africa is NOT high fenced, from my wanderings all over the southern half of South Africa it appears to me that very little of SA is High Fenced.

And which is the better deal? Anyone that can add can make that decision easily. Having hunted in South Africa eight times since that first time in 2001 I have clearly made my decision! I feel the deal can not be beaten! [AND, I have not been on any "high-fenced" lands since the first hunt in 2001, and even then only about 50% of the hunt.]


Les

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Originally posted by pigslayer:
lhowell,

who are you? do you know me? of course you don't that's painfully obvious.

you remind me of my last outfitter. nothing but bogus assumptions.

your statement is just your opinion, carries no more weight than my opinion. remember , opinions are like an asshole, everyone has one.

pig