SBT - In addition to Steve, check with Buzz Charlton. There is some info on his webpage, but I'd suggest emailing. He should be done hunting around mid-month - edited (~Nov 16th or so). A number of people from the forum have hunted with him, and I think one would be hard pressed to find a more energetic, enthusiastic and skilled elephant hunter then Buzz.



Webpage: http://buzzcharltonsafaris.com

Email: buzzcharlton@zol.co.zw

Bwanamrm's Hunt Report on AR: Hunt Report

Web Album from my April-04 Hunt: Web Album



Regards,



Bill

We also do PAC ele in Moz, but it is not too often we get permits. We had two this year, and none last year. There is only one "village" in our concession, and they don't often call in problem animals. We are doing a burn off right now, so the grass will be short for a while. This is when we start having difficulties with problem animals, but they are mostly cows causing the ruckus near our concession.

I have a waiting list of three people right now, and the PAC tag goes to the first guy with the $$$ when I go down the list. Email me for details and prices and I can add your name to the list. There is no minimum day on our PAC hunts, but figure on 7 days, 10 if you want a nice buff or two, and we have some very nice mature lions as well.

We also work with Witbank Taxidermy in RSA who can do very nice repro tusks.

Often to really take advantage of PAC animals you should be ready to roll immediately as they crop up and need sorting out "right now".

I have had them in the past (ele and lion) but they don't work if you waffle on getting on a plane ASAP.

Thanks all for the replies so far.

GeorgeS - The tuskless hunts sound exciting as any, but I really want at least a photo with a bull and replica tusks.

Bill C - I received an e-mail from Buzz over a month ago and he was going to get back with me regarding some new "hot" deal he was negotiating, but I haven't heard back. I'm sure I will.

HHMag - I haven't heard of your operation before and your web site doesn't mention Mozambique. Can you fill me in?

Ann - Your explanation of PAC hunts is how I thought they were conducted, but Steve has elluded in a previous thread that on his Mozambique hunts, a hunter can book it not only for one PAC bull, but for two.

Shakari - Can you clarify?

I most certainly can.



The simplified version is that Mozambique issues two types of Elephant licence, a trophy licence which allows the client to retain and export the trophies, this works for UK & Europe based hunters who can get the required import licences from their home countries. This option is much more expensive, and these hunts are almost financially comparable to Botswana and Tanzania. The other one is a PAC licence. (much less expensive) As US based hunters can't get an import licence from US F&WS we pretty much only market the PAC version. (If you're content with fibre glass replicas of your trophies this is a good and less expensive option)



The two areas we use have excellent Elephant populations and the locals in both areas live in the bush......so we don't have any problems at all getting PAC licences, and as previously posted we can now even offer a second (PAC) Elephant on a 7 day hunt.



However, it's my decision (under usual circumstances) not to allow hunters to shoot cow Elephants.....tuskless or otherwise....... I wouldn't criticise someone for offering it, but personally I just don't think it's right. Sorry guys.



The two largest Bulls to be taken this year on one of the areas were 74 & 76 lbs and 75 & 78 lbs, but next year we may try to restrict the big tuskers to the occasional trophy hunter for the obvious reason.



I should stress that this hunt isn't for everyone. The camps are not as luxurious as the ones we use in most other countries and heat & humidity can make it a tough hunt if you go outside the winter months. The areas also hold good populations of Hippo & Croc (the 3 species mentioned so far are not too difficult to hunt) and both areas also hold reasonably good populations of Lion, Leopard & Buff etc, but these species are more of a challenge and a greater degree of fitness is sometimes required. One of the areas also holds excellent populations of roan, which until now have not been hunted, but we have applied for a quota of 10 on next years permit..........and needless to say, we hope to get them.



I first hunted Mozambique at leat 10 years ago and probably closer to 15 years ago, but then (for various reasons) we stopped for a few years and only re-started a small operation in 2004. 2005 will see us offering a larger operation there and details will be posted on out website within a couple of weeks or so. We may also offer a travelling safari here.



On the subject of Mozambique generally, the game popualtions were badly damaged in previous years due to the long civil war and more latterly poachers. Although game herds are now recovering well, I could never understand why when so many species got hammered, the Elephant populations continued to increase. The first time I hunted the area we're returning to next year (after a long absence) was 10 or 15 years ago and then one would hardly see an impala or other plains game, but even then there were Elephants everywhere. I don't suppose the general game populations will ever be the same as places like Tanzania, but Mozambique allows human populations in the hunting areas and they all have to eat. Nevertheless the general game populations are increasing well and the DG populations were always pretty good. (although the buff suffered badly in previous times and even now are especially twitchy))



On the subject of US F&WS, I simply don't begin to understand them. They seem to be a rule unto themselves and from where I stand they seem to behave more like an anti-hunting organisation than a bunch of civil servants whose job it is is to enforce the national laws......They don't even deign to answer e-mails...... perhaps someone from the other side of the pond can tell us why they behave like this?........and tell us if there's a way they can be made to actually do their job.



Full details can be obtained by sending me an e-mail.....and I hope thid post hasn't sounded too much like a sales pitch.

PM sent.

I was able to take a PAC elephant bull in September while hunting with Kuduland Safaris in Mozambique. 49 and 46 lb. teeth. We tracked him and his running mate about 11 miles.

BUT, hunting in Mozambuque is tough. There are no roads and no fences. All hunting must be done on foot,tracking ang following trails. You must be able to walk at a good pace for 15 to 20 miles a day without sore legs or blistered feet. If you are not in shape to do that every day of the week,then you shouldn't go to Mozambuque. I would go back and I will get my flabby ass in better shape for next time.

I will hunt with Kuduland in 2005 on a Mozambique PAC hunt for elephant as well, taking the traveling safari option as it will be available.
I hunted with them in Tanzania this year, matter of fact just last month and cant wait for the next hunt already in the works. Maybe I can also help that Roan population out as well

James F. Nixon III