Mugabe speech - take over white safari companies

" Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins.
When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar.
Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan
PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move...

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01 March 2015, 19:55

DTala

who in the hell does he think will go there to hunt after the government has taken over all the safari companies??? Not me and not most others I'd guess. So where is all the money then?? That POS cannot die fast enough.

01 March 2015, 20:05

Brice

Ol' Bob is really grist for the sociologist mill. After spending several years studying in England, including economics I believe, he returns home and proceeds to wreck the economy.

01 March 2015, 20:14

Saeed

The thing is old Bob has lost whatever common sense he might have had before.

01 March 2015, 21:54

larryshores

Certainly not good news.

01 March 2015, 22:31

shakari

Talk about killing the golden goose in typical African fashion.

One would assume that whoever gets the shares will go straight onto the US banned list if they're not on it already (which they probably are) and that in turn would probably mean anyone booking with them then risks a Lacey Act violation?

Only in bloody Africa!

01 March 2015, 22:46

fujotupu

quote:
Originally posted by kallie404:
Yup, white owned agriculture is destroyed in Zim......now its time for the white owned conservancys and outfitters.

"In an interview marking his birthday, Mugabe admitted he blundered by giving ill-equipped black farmers vast tracts of farmland under his controversial land reforms."

So he obviously hasn't learnt anything from his first blunder.

02 March 2015, 00:57

bwana cecil

Mugabes got his money & is greedy for more, but he doesn't give a rats back side about his fellow man, neither black nor white.
He & his ilk are evil, pure evil.

02 March 2015, 01:00

Cazador humilde

Possible that a particular conservancy "owner" has finally pissed the old, evil SOB off.

02 March 2015, 03:08

boarkiller

Steve, this Golden Goose saying is what describes Africa as whole.
I think Africans might have to go through the whole process of recivilization on their own and without a penny from outside of Africa before they will appreciate the whole concept of civilization, conservation, caring about each other and so forth.
It took our so called First world hundreds if not thousand years to get here.
It's like a business. If Africa wanted to prosper, they would hire good businessmen from Europe, US, Canada, Australia, NZ, India, some of the Arab countries with well run economy to run their country economics and just make sure all citizens had opportunity to better themselves.
But I can't for the life of me even imagine African leaders ever doing that, because they are some of the most greedy, despotic, murderous and vindictive people on this earth, who don't care about their own people one iota.

02 March 2015, 04:18

H T

Been to Zim about a dozen times, most recently last June. Love hunting there, absolutely love it.

Chances of me going there without a white person taking responsibility for me while I'm there - - zero.

02 March 2015, 06:59

boarkiller

I hunted with local guys ( Shona and Shangaani ) and they were as professional as anyone else I hunted with before
It's always the gov and politics that screw things up

02 March 2015, 12:40

shakari

quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
Steve, this Golden Goose saying is what describes Africa as whole.
I think Africans might have to go through the whole process of recivilization on their own and without a penny from outside of Africa before they will appreciate the whole concept of civilization, conservation, caring about each other and so forth.
It took our so called First world hundreds if not thousand years to get here.
It's like a business. If Africa wanted to prosper, they would hire good businessmen from Europe, US, Canada, Australia, NZ, India, some of the Arab countries with well run economy to run their country economics and just make sure all citizens had opportunity to better themselves.
But I can't for the life of me even imagine African leaders ever doing that, because they are some of the most greedy, despotic, murderous and vindictive people on this earth, who don't care about their own people one iota.

Ja. It's typical bloody Africa.

The lefty fidiots would have us believe it's all the fault of the white man but at the risk of getting political, not one African country has made a success of independence.

A good example would be found by coparing the USA to Liberia. Both have had independence for a similar number of years and both have a variety of natural and human resources etc but whilst one has developed a democratic society, all kinds of industry, including a space industry, good infrastructure and even a massive foreign aid budget etc whilst the other has more or less mastered the wheel and they didn't invent that for themselves.

Africa could and should be the most successful continent in the world and instead it's the least successful and the reason for that is the Africans or more accurately, the African leaders.

02 March 2015, 14:29

Andrew McLaren

quote:
Originally posted by shakari:

..........

Africa could and should be the most successful continent in the world and instead it's the least successful and the reason for that is the Africans or more accurately, the African leaders........

I quite agree with you Steve! But the question that begs an explanation is: Why? Why would the bounty of Africa be wasted by Africans and their democratically [once?] elected leaders squander the richness as if there is no tomorrow?

Some anthropologists have suggested that it is because Africa is so rich and fruitful - in the literal sense full of fruit - that the African never developed a future vision. They hold that the fact that if an African gets hungry, he simply walks from his village and picks some bananas or other and satisfies his hunger. No need to take some fruits home to use if he gets hungry tomorrow. He then simply repeats what he has done today: Take a short walk and pick some fruit.

OTOH, the European who did not properly prepare his and his family's food stores for the oncoming winter, was simply eliminated from the human gene pool in that part of the world. The European therefore developed a sense of the future.

In modern Africa the modern [democratically elected] leader still lacks a sense of future vision. He is therefore quite prepared to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, simply because he wants a golden egg NOW! No thought of what he will do if he again wants another golden egg the day after tomorrow!

I've got no training in anthropology, but methinks that I fully understand this argument!

Furthermore almost every day I observe such behavior in the people that I interact with during my work.

In good hunting.

Andrew McLaren
Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974.

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One can cure:

Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it.

One cannot cure:

Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules!

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02 March 2015, 14:42

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Mugabes got his money & is greedy for more, but he doesn't give a rats back side about his fellow man, neither black nor white.
He & his ilk are evil, pure evil.

And the hypocrisy of the West never ceases to amaze me.

Mugabe has his money mostly in England, and the English government says they don't know where it is to cease

02 March 2015, 14:44

Pondoro

I think you are absolutely right Andrew, then add a little socialism and black racism and you have the recipie to destroy Africa..

02 March 2015, 16:57

df06

At DSC this year I was chatting with an acquaintance that has been to Africa on business and safari over 20 times, over many years.
He said, "better get you hunting in Africa done in the next five years"
His opinion is whats happening in Zim is and will happen else where and the USA import bans and the Muslims will put an end to it.
That's one persons opinion.

02 March 2015, 17:12

Upton O. Good

quote:
Originally posted by df06:
... "better get your hunting in Africa done in the next five years"

I see nothing on the horizon that suggests otherwise. Glad I went to Zimbabwe when I did.

02 March 2015, 17:20

larryshores

Unfortunately, I agree. Africa is headed downhill fast.

Another question is in my mind. I wonder if those who have booked hunts are in jeopardy should Mugabe die on or before their safari is competed? What will happen?

02 March 2015, 17:27

Frostbit

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Unfortunately, I agree. Africa is headed downhill fast.

Another question is in my mind. I wonder if those who have booked hunts are in jeopardy should Mugabe die on or before their safari is competed? What will happen?

Thanks for the cheery thought Larry. Selfishly, hoping he makes it another 5 weeks at least.

Cheers
Jim

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02 March 2015, 19:07

Scriptus

So sad, and for me even sadder as I prepare to leave the land of my birth, that of five generations on my father's side and eleven on my mother's side. A little over a month left.

02 March 2015, 19:07

Manyathelo

Go while you can, who knows when he will die but you probably don't want choose to be in the country when he does. But like Mandela's death the news will be filtered out slowly and I doubt that there will be a violent uprising of any great consequence among the people. Between the cabinet minsters and those in power it will be a little different....Grace will battle to hold on once Bob is gone

02 March 2015, 19:23

The Norwegian

quote:
Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:
quote:
Originally posted by shakari:

..........

Africa could and should be the most successful continent in the world and instead it's the least successful and the reason for that is the Africans or more accurately, the African leaders........

I quite agree with you Steve! But the question that begs an explanation is: Why? Why would the bounty of Africa be wasted by Africans and their democratically [once?] elected leaders squander the richness as if there is no tomorrow?

Some anthropologists have suggested that it is because Africa is so rich and fruitful - in the literal sense full of fruit - that the African never developed a future vision. They hold that the fact that if an African gets hungry, he simply walks from his village and picks some bananas or other and satisfies his hunger. No need to take some fruits home to use if he gets hungry tomorrow. He then simply repeats what he has done today: Take a short walk and pick some fruit.

OTOH, the European who did not properly prepare his and his family's food stores for the oncoming winter, was simply eliminated from the human gene pool in that part of the world. The European therefore developed a sense of the future.

In modern Africa the modern [democratically elected] leader still lacks a sense of future vision. He is therefore quite prepared to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, simply because he wants a golden egg NOW! No thought of what he will do if he again wants another golden egg the day after tomorrow!

I've got no training in anthropology, but methinks that I fully understand this argument! Furthermore almost every day I observe such behavior in the people that I interact with during my work.

In good hunting.

I quite agree with you Andrew.You see some of the same in South America - especially in Brazil. Have discussed the topic With many " white " Brazilians and they have concluded With the same. One more issue is that old tribe connection that we have not had in Europe. I think that Africa has to get rid of that tribe thinking to move forward.

If they want to move forward ? Maybe they do not ??

Somebody tells me that the new President of Rwanda is making a good jobb educated in Europa and thinking differently ! Anybody knows something about this ?

Morten

02 March 2015, 19:40

Frostbit

How does Namibia fit into this discussion?

02 March 2015, 20:05

Neil-PH

quote:
How does Namibia fit into this discussion?

Wouldn't worry too much about Namibia, I doubt Bob even knows where it is !!!

02 March 2015, 20:25

Cazador humilde

quote:
Originally posted by Scriptus:
So sad, and for me even sadder as I prepare to leave the land of my birth, that of five generations on my father's side and eleven on my mother's side. A little over a month left.

Very sorry to hear this. I know it's easy for a spoiled American to say, but I try to remember that our home isn't really here anyways. God be with you in your move.

02 March 2015, 20:56

Frostbit

quote:
Originally posted by Neil-PH:
quote:
How does Namibia fit into this discussion?

Wouldn't worry too much about Namibia, I doubt Bob even knows where it is !!!

Sorry, my question was rather vague. I meant it in reference to the belief that all African Countries are politically in decline. Namibia seems to stay off the radar.

02 March 2015, 22:55

boarkiller

I heard Namibia is trying some program about land distribution. It's called Land mass distribution and they have 35000 applications as of right now
Old pres of Namibia Pohamba doesn't wanna get out of his seat.
Here we go again.
In Africa , nobody is immune to it eventually

02 March 2015, 23:07

jorge

I'm sure congratulations and encouragement were sent from our resident socialist at 1600 PA avenue...

03 March 2015, 18:45

Scriptus

quote:
Originally posted by Cazador humilde:
quote:
Originally posted by Scriptus:
So sad, and for me even sadder as I prepare to leave the land of my birth, that of five generations on my father's side and eleven on my mother's side. A little over a month left.

Very sorry to hear this. I know it's easy for a spoiled American to say, but I try to remember that our home isn't really here anyways. God be with you in your move.

Thank you for the thoughts.

03 March 2015, 20:19

shakari

quote:
Originally posted by Scriptus:
So sad, and for me even sadder as I prepare to leave the land of my birth, that of five generations on my father's side and eleven on my mother's side. A little over a month left.

I don't have the long family connections you have my friend but I do know from bitter experience how hard & painful it is to leave Africa but if it's any consolation, there's light at the end of the tunnel and although it took a while, we've settled in to Portugal very happily indeed and wouldn't choose to go back to living there....... and I'm sure it'll be the same with you.

03 March 2015, 20:28

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by Scriptus:
So sad, and for me even sadder as I prepare to leave the land of my birth, that of five generations on my father's side and eleven on my mother's side. A little over a month left.

Truly sad

Good luck on your next location

Mike

03 March 2015, 23:27

Duckear

Tyranny, whether at the will of the minority or the majority, is still tyranny.

03 March 2015, 23:55

Kurick1

There was talking in Namibia while I was there in 2005 about land redistribution. At that time, I believe it was in the way of financial aid from the government to purchase land as it came up for sale. The man I hunted with was the former minister of education for the country, even when "black" rule was instituted. If they can keep China from getting their mitts in the mix, it may help. Africa has such a vast supply of resources, they just don't know how to manage it. As has been pointed out, there is very little thought to sustainability in most African countries, and they do not understand how to invest in infrastructure that will pay dividends later down the road. I purchased raw materials for 15 years and Africa set the pricing on many raw materials and when they had power outages or limited power available, the markets went crazy. They did not necessarily benefit from the higher prices, people just went elsewhere to insure delivery of the material.