Well what do you guys think . Mabe this will be remingtons new gun for 2002 . if so how do you think it will preform .

It should be just like the 416 Dakota! that is to say very good.
I doubt it will be their next offering as the short case mania has taken over their minds of late, just as it has Winchester's. I'd look for a short 338 or even 375 before they come with any long cased intro.

I think a lot of people are waiting for this so I hope they get their wish. I'd be very interested in a .458 UM, should it happen.
An inexpensive bottleneck case that will give a relaxed 2,400 fps with 500 grainers is long overdue.

Nickudu...couldn't agree w/ you more. But for now, it looks like I'll have to "settle" for a .458 Lott ...Oh well, maybe soon.

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Bob,

I think I remember Saeed saying sometime ago that he had a reamer and specifications from Remington.

However, I think unless Winchester chamber the 375 Ultra and 416 Ultra in their standard rifles and also CZ, their future is limited.

Mike

I'm sure that Remington has plans to bring out a .416 Ultra Mag, and just possibly a .458 on the same case.

After a little more than a dozen years on the market, Remington also seems poised to shoot in the ass with rocksalt those people who trusted enough to buy a .416 Remington magnum. No Remington brass is currently available for that cartridge, nor is a solid bullet factory load available.

For this and other reasons, I'm not interested in any of Remington's products anymore...........

AD

Allen,
Not trying to pick a fight.
What is the Federal 416 Rem Mag Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer (P416RT2) load? Seems that is a solid to me. I shoot a 416 Rem Mag. and the elephant is all that I deem a solid necessary for. While I have yet to shoot multitudes of critters with a 416 the standard 400 Swift load from Rem. has worked well and the only other bullet I have tried is the Barnes 350X handload. That killed my buffalo fine.
I don't know about finding brass but I have 7 boxes of the Rem 400 softs on the shelf, 5 boxes of the old 350 grn. load I have hoarded and 2 boxes of the Fed. 400 Trophy Bonded available for my customers. I had over two cases of the Rem 400 Swift load sitting on the shelf the other day but I sell a lot of this ammo so...guess you could get all the brass you need buy shooting just a couple of boxes of the loaded stuff. At one time I bought 200 rounds of new brass just so I would have some in case I need it.
I can't speak to the empty brass situation but seems there is plenty of the other about.
Over the year of outfitting African hunter I found I sold little of the Barnes solid load when it was available...maybe that is why Rem. dropped it. I don't know what killed the 350 grn offering except maybe I was one of the few that liked it too. The 400 Swift load has always been the better seller in my shop and I sell quite a number of 416 Rem Mag rifles (mostly M 70's and Dakota's) and ammo each year.
I sell a couple of Rigby each year but mostly because they are in some fine English bolt gun and I don't remember ever selling the 416 Wby. I have sold a couple of boxes of the Wby ammo. In my case I still sell more 416's than 375 but I would bet that is not the norm. Just shipped a M 70 416 Rem Mag to NM today and 2 bxs of ammo to go with it.

[This message has been edited by Harry (edited 12-18-2001).]

I have a ton of 416 Rem brass and I will sell some of it or trade for 404 Jefferys Norma, RWS or Bell ( Mast tech).

It wouldnt surprise me at all if Remington dropped all the 416 Rem users in the dirt and quite making brass, they have plenty of times...I'll put money on it.

I wouldn't give them the sweat of my......never mind.

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BTW, I really like the 416 Rem caliber and I have one in a Win. M-70 that I built...they really feed well compared to some of the other calibers or should I say they are easier to make feed well than some of the others, oh well thats the same thing.

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Harry, I know you're not trying to pick a fight, and I trust you.

I know that Federal offers some excellent ammunition for the .416 Remington, plus there are other brass options besides the Remington stuff.

My point is that Remington doesn't seem all that willing to stand by current .416 Remington owners who had enough faith in the future of this cartridge to buy rifles so chambered, and this after having been on the market for a comparatively short period of time, and with a solid track record of success behind it. It's like they're saying, "Thanks for your business, but we're moving on to something bigger and better, and we're taking you with us, by default if necessary."

I'd be willing to wager that if Remington does come out with a .416 Ultra-Mag, they'll make darned sure that quality solid and softpoint ammo is available from the get-go, as well as brass.

AD

Allen:

You want it both ways. You want Rem to keep making brass but (probably) wouldn't buy a Mod. 700, which is the reason Rem and others keep bringing out new cartridges, not because they are any better, or significantly better, than other current cartridges.

I'm sure that it does not warm the Rem. hearts to see Mod. 70's sold in 426 Rem.

Will, I've given Remington plenty of business over the years (how about eighty-eight Model 700s purchased since 1972?), but you're right, I have no interest in owning one of the current Model 700s, and as far as I'm concerned, their Ultra-Gag series simply isn't for me, either.

I am not a double-minded person, and I'm asking for just one thing out of Remington: Supply ammunition and brass to those folks who have invested in the .416 Remington Magnum caliber. Now is that too much to ask? If it is, just let me know.......

AD

The first thing that I did after buying my 416 rem was to check around with various suppliers and then order 250 cases.I consider getting a supply of brass from the get-go a standard procedure.

I seriously doubt Remington will come with a 416 Ultra, let alone a 458 Ultra. The latter will be nothing but a 460G&A and that design was passed up by Dakota, due to insufficient shoulder area.
The 416 would be better but I really believe they will come with a short edition. This will not obsolete their current 416 and would gain them far more sales than the long version, IMO.
Remington will still make periodic runs of their 416 Rem. mag brass, just stock up when they do!

Allan if you look in midway you can find a bunch of remington brass for the 416 it id also on sale now .

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Fred Zeglin is working on a 416 on the ultra case and will have headstamped brass available before long.

I have a 411 ultra (I got a barrel cheap) that I've just started working up loads for. I got 2500 fps with an 80% load out of a 23" barrel with a 325 grain northfork bullet.

Hornady 41 cal pistol bullets (2850fps) shoot well and are less expensive for plinking

I'd be very suprised to see Rem come out with a 416 ultra. They are big #'s oriented, and while they can tout the 375 ultra as the nee plus ultra elk slayer, the market for 416's is markedly smaller. If rem can't generate the production numbers to keep their 416 mag allive, I doubt they'd put a hotter 416 on the market, then again, gun companies can do some silly things at times.

As far as a 458 ultra, that is an even smaller market, and with Hornady producing factory 458 lott ammo, and Ruger and Win. selling rifles, that ought to kill any market that would consider a 458 ultra.

All I really wish is that the Rem 416 was the only 416, as perhaps that would produce a large enough market to keep it alive.

Paul-
My sentiments exactly...uhhh I mean for the 416 RIGBY. First and still the best, IMO.

John,

If the CZ 550 option was available the time the rem mag came out, I'd whole heartedly agree. Trouble is, there were no "affordable" 416's at the time of Remington's introduction, and I'd venture to say, had the rem not hit the market, the Rigby wouldn't have as wide a selection of component bullets.

I will admit that despite my owning Ken Howells 416 reamer, and having another 458 lott and a 500 Jeffrey in the works, the 416 Rigby is becoming more alluring to me if/when I decide to get a 416. I pawed a CZ 416 Rigby the other day, and it is alot of rifle for the $.

Seems to me that the 375 UM is just barely getting into the realm of sense with the UM case... the 416 and 458 would make best use, IMO, of the case. Of course the smaller bores were brought out first as they satisfy the American "need" of bigger and faster... also in keeping with the "big watch small c**k" compensation-syndrome... IMHO!

Brad Amundson

PS... Remington can shove it!

Also, here on local radio in South West MT, Remington is running an ad/damage control piece with a 1-800 # to "fix" (at the owners expense) Rem 700 triggers and install bolt locks on pre-82' rifles... interesting. Wonder what's wrong with Rem 700's?

Guess I am just a big dummy. I have sold one 375 Ultra and had an inquiry about one other yet I still continue to sell 375 H&H (no request for 375 Wby nor 416 Wby) and I sell 416 Rem Mags...a good number each year. Now I understand I am small time but if I sell that many and just mainly those two calibers (the H&H and Rem Mag.) what would give you the idea they are going to drop this caliber or build another 416 something?
I can not recall the last box of 308 Win I sold but it had to be two years ago! I have sold over two cases of Rem 416 Rem Mag (from Rem.) in the last 6 months. I work from and office in between Dallas and Ft. Worth. We just don't have many Cape Buffalo and Ellie here (except the ones in the bottle) and we do have a heck of a lot of deer. Reckon why I don't sell one supposed hot seller (308) and do sell something that is such a slow seller that Rem is going to drop it?
I think the reason the M 70 outsells the M700 is because the bbl. is very heavy on the 700 and again you have the control feed / 3 position safety on the M 70. That is my guess anyway. I sell more Sako in 416 than Rem in 416 as far as rifles go. Win. is the better seller. I have fluted several M700's and they come out great!
That is how it is in my little operation and I am aware it can / will be different in other regions of the U.S. but I bet I still sell more 416 Rem Mag rifles per yr. than the average bear! I don't think it will be dropped nor replaced.

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I think the real-life situation is similar to what Harry describes. It appears that more 416 Rem rifles and ammo are being sold each year. Out of all 416 calibers it is the most "practical".

Why then would Remington ditch a relative success? They are after all interested in numbers and sales.

And even if they brought out a 416 Ultra, this does not automatically mean that they will stop supporting the 416 Rem as a consequence.

Have they stopped producing 375H&H ammo after introducing the 375RUM?

Antonio