I have the opportunity to buy an old Rem Mod. 721 300H&H from an old friends heirs. He took it to Africa 6 times. The trackers loved to hunt with him. They called him "Old Man One Shot". I've seen him shoot 4 Brown Bear with it. All 4 were dead with one shot. I was impressed. I know it isn't very popular in Africa, but do you think it would work on Plains animals from Duiker to Kudu, Oryx?

If you use good bullets, it should do nicely. It isn't as fast as the newer .30 magnums, but it's no slouch, either.

George

Buy it! NOW!!

I had a chance to buy one six months ago, and hemmed and hawed too long, so I missed it.

To add insult to injury, I ran into the guy who did buy it. Said it was the best shooter he'd had in a long time.

Son, their isn't a .300 cal cartridge, in the world, that has taken more game in Africa than the old 300 H&H magnum! Don't worry about it, load it with some 180 gr Nosler partitions, and shoot anything you want up to, and includeing Eland! It is quite evident that you have seen the effect this round has on large animals like Brown bear, and I think you have answer your own question!

On the contrary, the 300 H&H is now and always has been the darling of the Africans, most of the PH's I know have one, and come to think of it most of them are Rem 721's, if not then they are the prized Win. Pre 64 M-70.

I have had one long enough that my decenters acuse me of shooting the horrid stainless steel guns, not so, it just has all the blue worn off and the stock looks like drift wood,its not plastic.....pre 64 M-70 Win....

I have an elderly client, Bob Inman, who shoots everything in Africa, including last years 46" Cape Buffalo with an old Rem 721 in 300 H&H..I loaded him up some 220 gr. Woodleigh solids and he also inadvertently shot all his plainsgame with them also...Told me it killed the buffalo fine but didn't work to well on plainsgame, had to track his Kudu 60" plus, and Sable 44" plus, for a couple of hundred yards...We finally figured out why, he still had all his softs in the boxes.... ya gotta love this old gentleman, almost 80 years old, a five way by-pass a few years ago, and still going 100 miles per hour...He is a retired contractor who builds a house or two every year, sells them and uses his profit to go hunt Africa, the middle East or Russia plus a yearly fishing trip to Alaska....He is going to Russia this year for a bear and a moose. Like I said there are those who want things to happen and those who make things happen....He is a maker.

TJ,

Buy it yesterday. I have had a M721 since '56, and it is still going strong (second barrel).

The .300 H&H is very well suited to Africa. Mostly you don't need as much velocity as the bigger .300s can generate anyway.

jim

Go buy it!! The old Rem Mod. 721 in .300 H&H is a true classic. Maybe it doesn't have the pizzaz of a Pre-64 Win Model 70 in .300 H&H but it's pretty classy. And this particular rifle has some history and it belonged to an old friend of yours. Memories are, and will be, attached to it. And there are no flies on the .300 H&H cartridge. The .300 H&H was Donald Ker's (of Ker & Downey fame) favorite plains game cartridge. [See African Adventure by Donald I. Ker, Stackpole Company, 1957.]

Just my two cents worth....
-Bob F.

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Buy it!

I have a M70 Classic that I rebarreled in .300 H&H Mag because I like the traditional calibers. I hit a spike mulie with 200grn Noslers this year at a range of 270 yards. It went down and never got up.

Of course, if you buy one you'll have to get a .375 H&H to make the pair.

Taken from the Hodgdon Basic Reloaders manuel 2003:
300 H&H Magnum
150 gr.Hdy.Sp.
4831 78gr. 3313fps
4350 71.0 3202
H414 65.0 3247

300 Win. Mag.
150 gr.Sie.SP
H4831 78.0 3207
H4350 72.0 3205
H414 68.0 3145

200 gr loads are comparable.
Now, someone tell me that the 300Win mag outperforms the OLD 300H&H.

Bravo

Amen, Bravo, and it feeds slicker than anything. I have a pre-64 that every now and then I think of selling. Then I pick it up and work the action and look at those long, slick cartridges. Next thing my wife comes out with a puzzled look on her face wondering why I've got this maniac expression and am screaming "No, my precious! Mine! Mine!" I don't even want to know what the neighbors think.

When I decided to buy a 300 magnum last year, I searched these pages thoroughly to see what vastly more experienced shooters and hunters preferred. With so many choices you can imagine how many opinions I found. I confess that I have always had a fascination with the older cartridges particularly those developed by Holland, so I was delighted to learn that the 300 H&H was held in pretty high regard by hunters and shooters alike.

You will hear some claim that a carefully loaded 300 H&H will perform to 300 Win. Mag. velocities. I have not found this to be the case, but I suppose it can be done with the right rifle/barrel set up. In any event, it gets pretty close. The comment that was mentioned by everyone was the ease of feeding of this long and beautifully tapered cartridge. I found this to be true beyond any cartridge I have used. It is an incredibly smooth feeding cartridge. It is also a very easy cartridge to reload for. I load my 180 grain Nosler Partitions just under 3,000 fps and achieve wonderful accuracy (not a max load in my gun).

On my next trip to Africa, this gun will accompany me. After shooting and hunting with this gun last year, I am very happy that I chose it. Sure there are faster, shorter, newer and more popular 300's out there but when you boil it all down, Holland did a darn good job with its 300 H&H.

Hi,
My uncle has a pre-64 winchester 300 H&H and I remember people in gunshops warning us that the caliber was nearly gone and that we should stock up on ammo. Do you think this is true? We just bought bases for it as it was used with open sights for many years on Ethiopian game but we want to see how accurate it can get with a scope...

Check this out!!!

721 Remington in .300 H&H

I have shot several animals with the .300 H&H mag in Africa. My m 70 super grade is one of my favorite rifles. It shoots 180's and 220's into nice little clusters at 100 yds

Aleko

Firearms can be easily purchased from outside the U.S. if one has some sort of FFL. For a Remington 721, a "cruffle" or "Curio and Relic" will work fine. Of course, these take about 6 weeks to get and by then the rifle will be gone. However, if you go and get one now, it will save you a bundle on components. All the major companies like Huntington's, Midway, etc. will give dealer's discount prices to the holder of a cruffle. Sinc the thing only costs $30 and is good for 3 years, how can you go wrong? And the next time you see a deal like that . . .

Thanks for the replies folks. I may have to pay more than its worth on the market, but........I originally thought it was a Pre 64 Mod 70,and told her in its present condition it was worth $800 but found out it was a 721. To hell with it, a good Rem. is worth as much to me as a Win. Besides, he was my Buddy, I want it.

I handload for mine, using 200grn noslers. But Winchester offers 180 grn Failsafes, Federal offers 180 Noslers and Hornady may have one also.

Boghossian,
No matter what if you handload there will ALWAYS be plenty of brass, 375, 416...

YOu'd be wise to buy it. I plan to take my 300 H&H on my next Africa trip as my light rifle. I currently use the max load out of the Nosler book for both Partitions AND A Frames and the rifle has a naxty habit of shootinf 180gr Swifts, Noslers and 200 gr partitions to the same POI! jorge

Can .300 H&H cases be made by just necking down .375 H&H cases ??

Thanks.

Yup, get a 300 H&H trim die from RCBS, and one pass form. Then fireform, ream with a Forster 0.308 reamer, resize and anneal. Some folk don't even do this much, they just push it thru the sizing die first time and trim but this works for me.

Pete

Can somebody fill me in on the Model 721. Was this the predecessor of the 700ADL? I confess that I'm not very familiar with them. I notice that they aren't terribly expensive on the auction sites, but I also notice that Remington has a safety advisory on them (plus the 722) on their site. Whaddyall think about them?

So pete I could just run .375 brass through a .300 H&H full length die and trim and I am set ??

THere is a good supply of brass then for the .300 H&H

What do folks who want theres with correct headstamps do, who makes .300 H&H stuff other than Bertram Brass (to soft you'd get 30/30 ballistics )??

Buy a box or two of the factory stuff and reload it for trips to countries that require that the headstamps match up.

PC

Wiinchester makes 300 H&H brass and Winchester Australia brings the stuff in.

Mike

Mike,

thanks for that. I suppose you are looking at buying a bit of brass in .300 H&H ??

PC

In the next month or so I will get a bit of "loose money" and I will probably get 1000 300 H&H cases plus another 1000 375s. I did previously have a lot but sold then off when I was running into the neck problems. Another case of rushing into things

I will also get at least 10,000 jackets so I will basically become independent of American made components. If I get desperate then I can make 375 bullets from 223 cases and use the 2206 from 308 military ammo

Mike

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Mike sounds as if your going to become a shooting Hermit, with no contact from multi-nationals some kind of Perverse version of the Amish religion only with firearms

PC

There are a few reasons why I want the independence but not the least is gun laws and what will happen after the next Osama bin Laden adventure.

While you and I might know a lot of people who shoot 375, 416s, 300 H&Hs, 9.3 X 62 or whatever, the fact is that 98% of the gun business out here does not involve any of those type of calibres.

My advice to any Australian who shoots calibres that are like the above is to try and become independent of overseas supplies as much as possible.

Stiffer gun laws reduce sales and that in turn reduces the range of stock that importers bring in and geting it ourselves is going to become more difficult, especially if bin Laden lets go again.

Mike

RAY,

I have been kicking this cal. around in my head for the nostalgia point of the load for Africa.

My question to you is this.

1) What is the best rate of twist for this? Is the IX10" .30 cal. the standard for 180 - 200 gr. loads?

2) What would be a good minimum barrel length to get the MAX but not be too long for this load?

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon.

Mike,

what your saying is true, that is now why most things I buy have to be ordered and thus a wait ensues. Dealers just do not want to hold stock particularly with the imbisile thats currently running the country.

Mike

Good advise to stock up as much as possible.

It won't be long and they will have a look at how much ammo or components a person can hold (which is already a law - one years shooting supply is already the limit).

"Are you going to start a war with your thousands of cases?" - That sort of rubbish.

I like the .22 Hornet - a kg of powder goes a long way and so does a box of .22 Magnum projectiles.

Seeing as I have 4500 rounds of 7.62x39 gathering dust - perhaps a bolt action in that calibre is called for?

NitroX

My personal preference is to be independent with the calibre or calibres I want to shoot. As such I don't go in for the case of 7.62 X 39s, 308s etc...but each man to his own

What I do know is that both PC and yourself can be supplied by me...well about from November

Mike

Here in Canada, under the guise of "security from terrorists", the gov't was set to regulate brass, lead and other "non-explosive" components. It would have caused HUGE problems for average reloaders, as well as just about putting a total stop to any "action" movie production in Canada.

Luckily, when the total stupidity of the proposed law was pointed out to the Commons committee that was looking at this law, it was stopped. This victory just happened about a month ago, but we have to remain vigilant that they don't try to pull the same type of idiocy again.

Nitro,

grab your self a 7.62x39 CZ Carbine there around 900 bucks AUS$ I reckon they'd be a good little ute gun.

I aprticularly would like to get a bit more stuff thats related to my rifles which are "odd ball" for the reasons Mike has pointed out.