Does anyone on this board have a 500/416? What do you think of the round? Where does on get brass, dies etc from?
Thanks, Peter.

I have not used it as it is a fairly new round, but it is a 416 Rigby or Remington in double barrel persuasion and that is a hard combo to beat..

I think it is the best double rifle caliber to come down the pike in history based on what I read about it...

dies are available from all the manufacturers I am sure and components are easy to come by..Try Huntingtons.

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A buddy in San Antonio bought a Kreighoff in 500/416. He hunted africa last year and had nothing but praise for the rifle and the round.

You get a flanged round and a great long .416 bullet that penetrates with the best of them! I think you will find that the 500/416 will be a standard for the future double rifles.

Now it won't replace the .470 which all other double rifle rounds are just by, However, since I probably won't be able to buy a New In the Box double rifle in 450/400 3 inch, I will be glad to settle for a 500/416.

Rusty
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Thanks guys! My wife might s--tcan my Africa trip for this year, so, I thought I might get a Searcy double in 500/416 instead!
Peter.

The 500/416 falls squarely into the realm of client guns (not PH guns) since the .416 is generally not considered a stopper. However, penetration should be good.

But don't expect to find plentiful supplies of ammo in Africa.

I think that more PH's carry 458's, 416's than any other caliber, except the 375 H&H...

In Tanzania a few PH's carry big doubles but Mark Selby still carries that nice old 450-400 that Papa Hemmingway or Rouke gave him, can't remember which....

More American hunters carry stopper calibers than PH's, would be my guess! To my mind a stopper is a brain or spine shot and caliber is not critical there.

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Ray,

If memory serves from my reading about Ruark, Mark Selby was Robert Ruark's godson. (I'm a big fan of Ruark's work.)

-Bob F.

There is also the ammo thing. A PH with a 470 can find ammo in country. A PH with a 500/416 has to wait till he visits the US or Europe and bring ammo out at that time.

Here is another"Which is better" question.

Between the two, which is felt to be better?
The .500 NE or the .500/416?

SAM

I shot a Krieghoff 500/414 "Big Five" during a 2 day hunters meeting. We trained in a shooting "cinema" with very realistic hunting scenes like a charging buffalo. The rifles and ammo were supplied by Krieghoff and Wolfgang Romey of Germany (you can get brass there, RCBS makes dies). The rifle is great and shoots very well, recoil is easy tolerable. The best thing is the safety/cocking device which makes the rifle perfectly safe but ready for immediate action. There was an article about this rifle and the caliber in the SCI magazine last year. You will find it with a little research.
I�m not a fan of a double but if I would have to buy one it would be without doubt a Krieghoff 500/416 "Big Five".
P.S. One thing is very important. If you load the rifle and close it, the piece is NOT automaticaly cocked. You have to engage the cocking device before you can fire. This little known fact costed me the first place in the final shootout of the match.

I believe the double Mark Selby has, a 450/400, is inscribed "To Mark from your Uncle Bob". A gift from his Godfather Robert Ruark.

Wow! What a piece of history!

Rusty
We band of brothers!

Saw my first 500/416 Krieghoff today. Nice rifle and an interesting round. Makes more sense to me than the 450/400.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter:
Hi Peter,
Vasa that posts here has a 500/416 Kreighoff. I've shot it a few times and it's a very nice double. I'm no expert when it comes to doubles but I sure liked it. You can order brass through Mast. There is a link on my site to Mast. www.470mbogo.com

470 Mbogo

Hi,

Sorry to bring up this old thread, just one question.

What is the difference between .500/416 and 416 Flanged Magnum (416/500 Flanged) ??, other than that .500/416 guns are much, much cheaper...

I know that the .416 Flanged Magnum is offered by some best-gun manufacturers, notably Rigby.

Case dimensions, MV, energy ??

Is it just .416 Rigby with rimmed case ??

Regards, Mark V

Mark V,

The 416 Flanged Magnum is another term for the 500/416.
According to Kreigoff the 500/416 was designed for double rifles to insure reliable extraction in a moderate pressure round. The performance is comparable to the 416 Rigby.

Rusty
We band of brothers!

Thanks Rusty.

I suspected they are more or less similar, but that they are same cartridge was news to me.

Regards, Mark V

[ 01-14-2003, 23:19: Message edited by: Mark V ]

Peter:

My hunting partner has a Kreighoff .500/.416 Classic (with a second set of .375 Flanged Magnum barrels) that I've shot quite a bit. He used it on Buffalo and a variety of plains game with excellent results. His rifle, with either barrel set, is extremely accurate - with handloads. It is very comfortable to shoot.

The .500/.416 is, ballistically, actually closer to the .450/.400 than to the .416 Rigby. I fired 410 grain Kreighoff factory ammo (which was loaded with Woodleigh bullets) from a couple of different lots over a chronograph. Average velocity was around 2250 fps. Kreighoff's specs are for 2330 fps from a 25.5" barrel and their rifles are only sold with 23.5" so the velocity obtained was as expected and probably representative. Kreighoff says this load produces around 40,000 psi so, in a double, improving on this probably wouldn't be a good idea. So, the .500/.416, with 410 grain bullets is 125 fps faster than the 400 grain .450/.400 and 150 fps slower than the 410 grain .416 Rigby - a damn good place to be.

The .500/.416 was a superflous development in my view. There just isn't enough of an advantage to choose it over the .450/.400 - and there is no good reason not to either. The availability of .416 bullets is better than its ever been and since the .500/.416 shares the same parent case as the .470, brass shouldn't be a problem, even in the long term. It is a good cartridge.

Plan on handloading though. The Romey (Kreighoff) ammo was erratic and about 15% of the cases split at the shoulder - a problem I've heard about from several other shooters. Handloads with the same Woodleigh bullets loaded to the same velocity, in Bell (MAST) brass cut 100 yards groups more than in half. Case life with the Bell brass is excellent.
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