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Its still owned by Weldon Shenk and run by his manager Graham Cronnear. They take bookings from multiple parties.

Thanks Buzz!

No worries and good Luck! It has the best buffalo hunting in the Save but very thin on the plains game in comparision to other areas

It has been a while since I hunted there. I vividly remember all the buff. Herds with over 100 in them.

Great place.

A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.
4WD

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

Thierry,
I hunted the Hammond ranch in 2019 for 10 days. My son accompanied me and was suppose to hunt on the Hammond ranch with me.I highly recommend anyone wanting to conduct a hunt on the Hammond ranch in the Save ,to book with caution. Upon arrival to the Hammond ranch in 2019 I was advised that my son who was suppose to hunt with me, would have to hunt on another concession the (Sengwa) since the Hammond had been partially sold, divided in two and they had lost quota prior to our arrival. You just don’t make this shit up. I have been on guided hunts for 40 years with some of the most respected outfitters in some of the most beautiful and remote camps in the world. Thierry , You are not one of the owners of the Hammond , do you think you may not know everything of the private workings and business matters of the owners of the Hammond?? Or do you know everything on all ongoing private business matters by these multi-national millionaire owners? There have been many changes in the Save, many involving the very corrupt Zimbabwe government . I don’t have time nor do I want to research ownership history in the Save and specifically the Hammond Ranch. All I know is that we will never be hunting there again in the future.

We have hunted on and off for many many years ( 10 plus) on Hammond and I can confirm what Thierry says- Hammond has not decreased in size at all and is probably the best Buff hunting in the Save.

When we have clients who want to hunt Buffalo in the Save rather than the Zambezi Hammond is my top choice and we always have an excellent hunt and are extremely well looked after!

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
We have hunted on and off for many many years ( 10 plus) on Hammond and I can confirm what Thierry says- Hammond has not decreased in size at all and is probably the best Buff hunting in the Save.

When we have clients who want to hunt Buffalo in the Save rather than the Zambezi Hammond is my top choice and we always have an excellent hunt and are extremely well looked after!

Buzz,Thierry
Not here to argue.No issues with you guys. Just relaying my 2019 Hammond hunting experience to A. Dahlgren who asks “who owns the Hammond Ranch”.

I booked a 11 day hunt 1x1 for my son and I on the Hammond Ranch in June 2019. We were told upon booking with a well known hunting company that we would be hunting a 32,000 acre concession. I was to hunt Buffalo , kudu and other plains game, my son, kudu, eland ,impala, zebra, and other game if the opportunity arose.When we arrived the Hammond camp we were informed my son would not be allowed to hunt the Hammond Ranch with me due to the owner losing half of his 32,000 acres and losing much of his quota. Like I said earlier , my son had to hunt Sengwa. He had a successful hunt but not hunting in the same concession with me due to no quota in the reduced hunting area in the Hammond. I was limited to hunting half the original concession only 16,000 acres not 32,000 . We had to discontinue many stalks due to running into adjoining concessions. The last two days of the hunt we hunted with a different PH, Fabian the head PH of the Hammond. Fabian also shared with us that that the Hammond had lost half of its concession. Like I stated earlier “you can’t make this shit up”. I deal in the sale and acquisition of ranches as a profession. Many things happen in the ownership of land. All I can tell you is our experience. Maybe the American ,Weldon Shenk sp? continues to own all 32,000 acres of the Hammond ranch, , maybe not. I could not find any ownership records of the Hammond ranch in my search. All I can tell you is something really squirrelly was going on at the Hammond ranch regarding ownership of the Hammond ranch while we were there in June of 2019 and we were not allowed to hunt the 32,000 acres due to ownership issues.

On a side note. The Hammond is not a wilderness type experience. The ranch has so many roads running through it that it diminishes the hunting experience . The Hammond is on the very South end of the Save ,very close to civilization. Two times following Buffalo we had to cross roads and had to wait for vehicles before crossing the roads to continue the tracking. Other times vehicles driving through the concession were around while we were also in sight of the Buffalo. While the area does have a lot of Buffalo I would never call the Hammond a quality hunting experience for wild Africa, it is not a wild free range experience due to the human impact in the area and the number of roads and vehicles in the area..There is also a tremendous poaching problem, we saw very little variety of plains game, but found 10-15 snares everyday.
4WD

4WD I will agree with you regards your comments on wilderness areas. That is the main reason we do not hunt the SAVE as a whole is for that reason unless a client requests it.

I did a hunt on Sango a few years ago and while it has unbelievable game, a 5-star lodge and organisation 2 nd to none -it is not a wilderness area or experience.

The SAVE is incredibly well run but with all the researchers, anti-poaching units, water attendants etc etc ( that ironically make it the amazing area it is) it does detract from the wilderness experience. I would rather shoot less animals in the Zambezi Valley than have an easy hunt in the SAVE. I do realise that that is not for everyone and as you see on hunt reports there are amazing trophies to be had in the SAVE!

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

Thierry,
I hunted the Hammond ranch in 2019 for 10 days. My son accompanied me and was suppose to hunt on the Hammond ranch with me.I highly recommend anyone wanting to conduct a hunt on the Hammond ranch in the Save ,to book with caution. Upon arrival to the Hammond ranch in 2019 I was advised that my son who was suppose to hunt with me, would have to hunt on another concession the (Sengwa) since the Hammond had been partially sold, divided in two and they had lost quota prior to our arrival. You just don’t make this shit up. I have been on guided hunts for 40 years with some of the most respected outfitters in some of the most beautiful and remote camps in the world. Thierry , You are not one of the owners of the Hammond , do you think you may not know everything of the private workings and business matters of the owners of the Hammond?? Or do you know everything on all ongoing private business matters by these multi-national millionaire owners? There have been many changes in the Save, many involving the very corrupt Zimbabwe government . I don’t have time nor do I want to research ownership history in the Save and specifically the Hammond Ranch. All I know is that we will never be hunting there again in the future.

4WD - all I can tell you is I’ve been hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy for 22yrs and that I’ve also done many many hunts on Hammond over the years and including in 2019 and have always had good experiences there. You are most certainly entitled to share your experience as you experienced it. You are correct in saying that it is not the same experience as it would’ve been in for example some areas of the Zambezi Valley, The Selous, Nothern Mozambique etc Is that what you were expecting? Perhaps do better research next time.

Anton sorry to hijack this post somewhat. To answer your original question, Hammond doesn’t personally sell hunts they rely on other PHs/Operators to bring clients. I personally take clients there.

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

Thierry,
I hunted the Hammond ranch in 2019 for 10 days. My son accompanied me and was suppose to hunt on the Hammond ranch with me.I highly recommend anyone wanting to conduct a hunt on the Hammond ranch in the Save ,to book with caution. Upon arrival to the Hammond ranch in 2019 I was advised that my son who was suppose to hunt with me, would have to hunt on another concession the (Sengwa) since the Hammond had been partially sold, divided in two and they had lost quota prior to our arrival. You just don’t make this shit up. I have been on guided hunts for 40 years with some of the most respected outfitters in some of the most beautiful and remote camps in the world. Thierry , You are not one of the owners of the Hammond , do you think you may not know everything of the private workings and business matters of the owners of the Hammond?? Or do you know everything on all ongoing private business matters by these multi-national millionaire owners? There have been many changes in the Save, many involving the very corrupt Zimbabwe government . I don’t have time nor do I want to research ownership history in the Save and specifically the Hammond Ranch. All I know is that we will never be hunting there again in the future.

4WD - all I can tell you is I’ve been hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy for 22yrs and that I’ve also done many many hunts on Hammond over the years and including in 2019 and have always had good experiences there. You are most certainly entitled to share your experience as you experienced it. You are correct in saying that it is not the same experience as it would’ve been in for example some areas of the Zambezi Valley, The Selous, Nothern Mozambique etc Is that what you were expecting? Perhaps do better research next time.

In all fairness Theirry when you are booking a safari you are presented with the positives and not the negatives.

Labat,
Pretty hard to do proper research when the outfitter and PH do not disclose the issues they are having thirty days prior to arrival . By the way , yes you hunted the Hammond in 2019. You had a unsuccessful group of hunters in camp prior to my arrival. Glad you are so informed.
4WD

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
We have hunted on and off for many many years ( 10 plus) on Hammond and I can confirm what Thierry says- Hammond has not decreased in size at all and is probably the best Buff hunting in the Save.

When we have clients who want to hunt Buffalo in the Save rather than the Zambezi Hammond is my top choice and we always have an excellent hunt and are extremely well looked after!

Buzz,Thierry
Not here to argue.No issues with you guys. Just relaying my 2019 Hammond hunting experience to A. Dahlgren who asks “who owns the Hammond Ranch”.

I booked a 11 day hunt 1x1 for my son and I on the Hammond Ranch in June 2019. We were told upon booking with a well known hunting company that we would be hunting a 32,000 acre concession. I was to hunt Buffalo , kudu and other plains game, my son, kudu, eland ,impala, zebra, and other game if the opportunity arose.When we arrived the Hammond camp we were informed my son would not be allowed to hunt the Hammond Ranch with me due to the owner losing half of his 32,000 acres and losing much of his quota. Like I said earlier , my son had to hunt Sengwa. He had a successful hunt but not hunting in the same concession with me due to no quota in the reduced hunting area in the Hammond. I was limited to hunting half the original concession only 16,000 acres not 32,000 . We had to discontinue many stalks due to running into adjoining concessions. The last two days of the hunt we hunted with a different PH, Fabian the head PH of the Hammond. Fabian also shared with us that that the Hammond had lost half of its concession. Like I stated earlier “you can’t make this shit up”. I deal in the sale and acquisition of ranches as a profession. Many things happen in the ownership of land. All I can tell you is our experience. Maybe the American ,Weldon Shenk sp? continues to own all 32,000 acres of the Hammond ranch, , maybe not. I could not find any ownership records of the Hammond ranch in my search. All I can tell you is something really squirrelly was going on at the Hammond ranch regarding ownership of the Hammond ranch while we were there in June of 2019 and we were not allowed to hunt the 32,000 acres due to ownership issues.

On a side note. The Hammond is not a wilderness type experience. The ranch has so many roads running through it that it diminishes the hunting experience . The Hammond is on the very South end of the Save ,very close to civilization. Two times following Buffalo we had to cross roads and had to wait for vehicles before crossing the roads to continue the tracking. Other times vehicles driving through the concession were around while we were also in sight of the Buffalo. While the area does have a lot of Buffalo I would never call the Hammond a quality hunting experience for wild Africa, it is not a wild free range experience due to the human impact in the area and the number of roads and vehicles in the area..There is also a tremendous poaching problem, we saw very little variety of plains game, but found 10-15 snares everyday.
4WD

4WD believe me I know more about the SVC than you will ever know. I actually also hunted there in June 2019 with one of my clients so I’m assuming you came in after us. So if you are indeed the hunt that took place on Hammond after us in the latter part of June why don’t you go ahead and tell the full story? Were you not the guy who wounded his first buffalo and refused to admit that a wounded and lost buffalo with blood visible was as good as a kill and then refused to pay? Were you not the same person who was offered a reduced price for a 2nd buffalo which you subsequently wounded again and lost? Your son by the way hunted on Senuko which is the neighboring property to Hammond. Not Sengwa as you mention earlier. You and your son still shared same camp did you not? Only reason Fibion hunted with you last couple days was because your original PH was trying to find your wounded buffalo, so this at least meant you could carry in hunting other animals.

Perhaps you should post your real name so that other operators and PHs can be aware of who they would be dealing with incase you contact them.

There are always two sides to every story isn't there?

Thanks for your outstanding anti poaching skills in finding 10-15 snares on a daily basis.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Labat,
Pretty hard to do proper research when the outfitter and PH do not disclose the issues they are having thirty days prior to arrival . By the way , yes you hunted the Hammond in 2019. You had a unsuccessful group of hunters in camp prior to my arrival. Glad you are so informed.
4WD

Are you joking? I actually hunted with JJBull who’s a member on AR before your arrival. We had a great hunt. Showing the world who you really are again?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

Thierry,
I hunted the Hammond ranch in 2019 for 10 days. My son accompanied me and was suppose to hunt on the Hammond ranch with me.I highly recommend anyone wanting to conduct a hunt on the Hammond ranch in the Save ,to book with caution. Upon arrival to the Hammond ranch in 2019 I was advised that my son who was suppose to hunt with me, would have to hunt on another concession the (Sengwa) since the Hammond had been partially sold, divided in two and they had lost quota prior to our arrival. You just don’t make this shit up. I have been on guided hunts for 40 years with some of the most respected outfitters in some of the most beautiful and remote camps in the world. Thierry , You are not one of the owners of the Hammond , do you think you may not know everything of the private workings and business matters of the owners of the Hammond?? Or do you know everything on all ongoing private business matters by these multi-national millionaire owners? There have been many changes in the Save, many involving the very corrupt Zimbabwe government . I don’t have time nor do I want to research ownership history in the Save and specifically the Hammond Ranch. All I know is that we will never be hunting there again in the future.

4WD - all I can tell you is I’ve been hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy for 22yrs and that I’ve also done many many hunts on Hammond over the years and including in 2019 and have always had good experiences there. You are most certainly entitled to share your experience as you experienced it. You are correct in saying that it is not the same experience as it would’ve been in for example some areas of the Zambezi Valley, The Selous, Nothern Mozambique etc Is that what you were expecting? Perhaps do better research next time.

In all fairness Theirry when you are booking a safari you are presented with the positives and not the negatives.

Andrew what or what he was not told we don’t know. But I do know that Hammond has not lost half its area. It hasn’t lost a single acre in fact. I do know that his son hunted Senuko and not Sengwa. I do know that he did not shoot well. I do know that he is obviously disgruntled about his experience and trying to blame everyone else for it.

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

Thierry,
I hunted the Hammond ranch in 2019 for 10 days. My son accompanied me and was suppose to hunt on the Hammond ranch with me.I highly recommend anyone wanting to conduct a hunt on the Hammond ranch in the Save ,to book with caution. Upon arrival to the Hammond ranch in 2019 I was advised that my son who was suppose to hunt with me, would have to hunt on another concession the (Sengwa) since the Hammond had been partially sold, divided in two and they had lost quota prior to our arrival. You just don’t make this shit up. I have been on guided hunts for 40 years with some of the most respected outfitters in some of the most beautiful and remote camps in the world. Thierry , You are not one of the owners of the Hammond , do you think you may not know everything of the private workings and business matters of the owners of the Hammond?? Or do you know everything on all ongoing private business matters by these multi-national millionaire owners? There have been many changes in the Save, many involving the very corrupt Zimbabwe government . I don’t have time nor do I want to research ownership history in the Save and specifically the Hammond Ranch. All I know is that we will never be hunting there again in the future.

4WD - all I can tell you is I’ve been hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy for 22yrs and that I’ve also done many many hunts on Hammond over the years and including in 2019 and have always had good experiences there. You are most certainly entitled to share your experience as you experienced it. You are correct in saying that it is not the same experience as it would’ve been in for example some areas of the Zambezi Valley, The Selous, Nothern Mozambique etc Is that what you were expecting? Perhaps do better research next time.

In all fairness Theirry when you are booking a safari you are presented with the positives and not the negatives.

Andrew what or what he was not told we don’t know. But I do know that Hammond has not lost half its area. It hasn’t lost a single acre in fact. I do know that his son hunted Senuko and not Sengwa. I do know that he did not shoot well. I do know that he is obviously disgruntled about his experience and trying to blame everyone else for it.

Hi Theirry,

I was not there so cannot really comment but you and I have spent enough days in the field to determine whether a buff is badly wounded or has been nicked. It would be our discretion to decide
the next and best course of action.

Labat,
Your reputation proceeds you. Carry on. It speaks of your character.
We were told by the Outfitter, Hammond Ranch Manager and the PH that half the ranch had been sold. Again you can’t make that shit up.
Labat, you really think the concession owners/holders that allow you to freelance on their land are going to inform you when they are experiencing private financial, business ,geo political government problems? Really?
Just stating the facts on my experience on the Hammond. Again to be clear we were told we would have 32,000 acres to hunt on. We had 16,000 acres to hunt on when we arrived. The Hammond ranch did not have the plains game quota we were promised when we booked. The ranch manager, the outfitter, and the PH were aware of these problems 30 days prior to arrival but they did not see fit to notify us.
The alarming amount of snares we found has much to do with the lack of plains game in the Hammond. Really sorry to see that much poaching activity.Labat,Do you not equate poaching snares with the lack of plains game?
Some of what you say could be partially true, can’t really discuss the facts.When the outfitter decided to change the rules of the hunt that was represented to us and what we paid for without informing us first, I decided to go rogue with the hunt since the outfitter already broke the rules.I really didn’t care.
I found the Hammond a bit like Jurassic Park, a little bit of a man made park , a large island surrounded by agricultural land ,with animals being supplemented when populations get low ,as the Hammond PH told me.
Others may agree with you that you find the hunting in the Hammond exciting.I did do research and wanted to hunt Tanzania, but my son’s recent college graduation and future job would not allow a July hunt . Can’t really offer up anymore information than that on our hunt, who the outfitter was etc. , since we signed a NDA. With all of your business acumen Labat,I am sure you understand . Again glad you are so informed .

I have received several PM’s from members who do not want to respond publicly, but stating the same facts as I have brought up regarding the Hammond.

Back to A. Dahlgren the original topic.The Hammond has had ownership issues. Some change happened in 2019.I would find out who owns the hunting operation for the Hammond, the length of the agreement and a legal statement in writing who owns the 32,000 acres known as the Hammond Ranch. Our hunt on the Hammond changed from what we were contracted for, yours could too!
4WD

Could both of you gentlemen be right?

That it was a temporary episode in the ownership?

Was that not the time of the beginning of COVID?

Where things were happening without explanation?

4WD:

First let me clearly say that I am not saying you were not told about the ownership change .

Having said that, let me ask you a question. Doesn’t it seem odd to you they they wanted an NDA? I have been on 29 safaris and countless other trips all over the world . I have never been asked to execute an NDA. If I was asked to do so, I probably would not go because it seems so odd. The NDA makes me wonder what the hell was going on. Perhaps they were misrepresenting things to you .

I know both Buzz and Thierry quite well. Both are knowledgeable honest guys. If they say the ownership didn’t change , I’d believe them. Thierry hunts the adjoining property quite often and has done so for years . Buzz hunts Hammond as well. It makes sense that they would know .

Sorry you had a bad hunt there . It happens . It is unfortunate. Personally, I have been twice . I’d not hesitate to go back .

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When the outfitter decided to change the rules of the hunt that was represented to us and what we paid for without informing us first, I decided to go rogue with the hunt since the outfitter already broke the rules.I really didn’t care.

Go Rogue? WTF does that mean? is that the same as DNTP?

An NDA to go hunt with them??

You must be kidding!

I would have told them to stick it up their rear ends!

I was told once of an outfit who wanted to charge extra if a video camera man is making a video.

Not the normal charge for an additional person being there, but an extra charge for taking the video.

These are the sort of crooks I avoid at any cost.

Far too many honest and straightforward outfits there to waste my time with brainless idiots!

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Originally posted by Thierry Labat:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Labat,
Pretty hard to do proper research when the outfitter and PH do not disclose the issues they are having thirty days prior to arrival . By the way , yes you hunted the Hammond in 2019. You had a unsuccessful group of hunters in camp prior to my arrival. Glad you are so informed.
4WD

Are you joking? I actually hunted with JJBull who’s a member on AR before your arrival. We had a great hunt. Showing the world who you really are again?

Hi 4WD: long time. I never did hear from you again after your trip. Sorry it didn't turn out as you had hoped.

Yes, I was the "group" that preceded you on Hammond in 2019. I had a very enjoyable and successful hunt there with Thierry. It is not a wilderness experience. My wife accompanies me and the SVC suits us just fine. Good on you with finding those snares. The AP teams in the SAVE are stretched pretty thin. But we did see them out working more than once.

I know some properties in the Conservancy have had issues with squatters and size changed, but Hammond has never been mentioned in the conversations I've been in. I paid my deposit to the Bank of Charleston, SC and found that a nice Lowcountry family has owned Hammond for many years. My hunt was exactly as sold to me on the full property I was promised. I have also hunted Senuko where your son was. I am sure he had a good time there.

I like the SAVE. I guess it's not for everyone but that leaves more for me. I hope your next hunts turn out better 4WD but there is no reason to make things up about Hammond since you personally didn't enjoy it.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
An NDA to go hunt with them??

You must be kidding!

I would have told them to stick it up their rear ends!

I was told once of an outfit who wanted to charge extra if a video camera man is making a video.

Not the normal charge for an additional person being there, but an extra charge for taking the video.

These are the sort of crooks I avoid at any cost.

Far too many honest and straightforward outfits there to waste my time with brainless idiots!

Definitely a major warning sign.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
An NDA to go hunt with them??

You must be kidding!

I would have told them to stick it up their rear ends!

I was told once of an outfit who wanted to charge extra if a video camera man is making a video.

Not the normal charge for an additional person being there, but an extra charge for taking the video.

These are the sort of crooks I avoid at any cost.

Far too many honest and straightforward outfits there to waste my time with brainless idiots!

Definitely a major warning sign.

I have hunted there myself 10 years ago or so. But im not looking for buff this time around.

I think I would listen to Thierry and Buzz on this. They are serious experts and live there.

I would love to see a copy of the NDA.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Labat,
Your reputation proceeds you. Carry on. It speaks of your character.
We were told by the Outfitter, Hammond Ranch Manager and the PH that half the ranch had been sold. Again you can’t make that shit up.
Labat, you really think the concession owners/holders that allow you to freelance on their land are going to inform you when they are experiencing private financial, business ,geo political government problems? Really?
Just stating the facts on my experience on the Hammond. Again to be clear we were told we would have 32,000 acres to hunt on. We had 16,000 acres to hunt on when we arrived. The Hammond ranch did not have the plains game quota we were promised when we booked. The ranch manager, the outfitter, and the PH were aware of these problems 30 days prior to arrival but they did not see fit to notify us.
The alarming amount of snares we found has much to do with the lack of plains game in the Hammond. Really sorry to see that much poaching activity.Labat,Do you not equate poaching snares with the lack of plains game?
Some of what you say could be partially true, can’t really discuss the facts.When the outfitter decided to change the rules of the hunt that was represented to us and what we paid for without informing us first, I decided to go rogue with the hunt since the outfitter already broke the rules.I really didn’t care.
I found the Hammond a bit like Jurassic Park, a little bit of a man made park , a large island surrounded by agricultural land ,with animals being supplemented when populations get low ,as the Hammond PH told me.
Others may agree with you that you find the hunting in the Hammond exciting.I did do research and wanted to hunt Tanzania, but my son’s recent college graduation and future job would not allow a July hunt . Can’t really offer up anymore information than that on our hunt, who the outfitter was etc. , since we signed a NDA. With all of your business acumen Labat,I am sure you understand . Again glad you are so informed .

I have received several PM’s from members who do not want to respond publicly, but stating the same facts as I have brought up regarding the Hammond.

Back to A. Dahlgren the original topic.The Hammond has had ownership issues. Some change happened in 2019.I would find out who owns the hunting operation for the Hammond, the length of the agreement and a legal statement in writing who owns the 32,000 acres known as the Hammond Ranch. Our hunt on the Hammond changed from what we were contracted for, yours could too!
4WD

4WD. Let me clarify some points here for you and those who may be interested.

Your 1st claim - Son hunted Sengwa - incorrect - he hunted Senulko which is the adjoining property.

Your 2nd claim - Hammond partially sold/divided in two - Incorrect - Hammond is still as of today exactly the same size as it has always been and still belongs to the Schenk family.

Your 3rd Claim - Hammond is surrounded by agricultural land - Incorrect - North of Hammond is Senulko where your son hunted, East of Hammond is ARDA another hunting area. South of Hammond is Nyangambe also a hunting area. West was a hunting are which has now been resettled.

Your 4th claim - Animals being supplemented when needed on Hammond - Incorrect - No animals are "supplemented" into the Save Valley Conservancy. Some animal species such as buffalo, elephant, lion, Rhino for example were reintroduced at it's inception in 1992

Your 5th claim - I had an unsuccessful hunt with a group prior to yours - Blatant lie - as we heard directly from the person who actually was the client on that hunt

Your 6th claim - finding 10-15 snares on a daily basis - I have spent many many days walking around Hammond and I have personally never found more than the few odd snares every couple of safaris. You must be the worlds best anti poaching figure to find that many on a daily basis and judging by the amount of incorrect claims you have, I find that extremely difficult to believe. Is there poaching? Yes of course, Which hunting area in Zimbabwe has 100% zero poaching?

Your 7th Claim - You are receiving PMs from others who are stating the same facts? Find it surprising that there are others who are stating the same incorrect facts.

My Reputation and Character - I will defend someone who can't do it themselves as they are not on this forum. I'm talking about the Hammond owner and manager. I will also call out anyone who makes false claims about an area that I'm directly involved with from time to time as these same false claims can affect my business. What was said between you and your PH only you two will know and if you had a problem with them then sort it out with them. Don't take it out on Hammond.

4WD - Was this NDA you are talking about signed before the hunt or after the hunt? I have taken many clients and hunted with the same company in question and not once have any of my clients ever been asked to sign an NDA, so if this was an NDA signed after the hunt why would you sign it if you felt your side of the story was right?

Yes believe it or not I'm in a better position to know about what is happening in the Save Valley Conservancy than you are.

FYI in Sept/October of 2019, so after your safari and the same year I did another 2 hunts on Hammond and between the 3 clients that hunted we managed to get 4 buffalo, 3 kudu, 3 eland, 2 klipspringer, 4 zebra, 1 hyena, 6 impala, 2 warthog and a lioness, so although the plainsgame is not as plentiful as in the central part of the Conservancy there is still enough to have a good hunt.

I've said what I have had to say. People can believe who they want.

P.S Everyone who met and was around your son really enjoyed his company. Glad he had a good hunt.

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I was told once of an outfit who wanted to charge extra if a video camera man is making a video.

Pretty dumb demand by the outfitter if you ask me as it equates to free publicity ... unless the area is shitty and likely to turn the hunt into a fiasco.

Andrew you are absolutely correct but everyone in this business knows that a wounded and lost animal comes off the quota and must be paid for. I for example as a freelance PH hunting on someone else's property cannot make the final call on whether to charge the client or not for a wounded animal no matter how much or little blood there is. If landowner were to find out that I didn't report a wounded animal it would strain the relationship. I can give the landowner my viewpoint on the situation, shot etc and that's it. Take it from there.

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A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

Thierry,
I hunted the Hammond ranch in 2019 for 10 days. My son accompanied me and was suppose to hunt on the Hammond ranch with me.I highly recommend anyone wanting to conduct a hunt on the Hammond ranch in the Save ,to book with caution. Upon arrival to the Hammond ranch in 2019 I was advised that my son who was suppose to hunt with me, would have to hunt on another concession the (Sengwa) since the Hammond had been partially sold, divided in two and they had lost quota prior to our arrival. You just don’t make this shit up. I have been on guided hunts for 40 years with some of the most respected outfitters in some of the most beautiful and remote camps in the world. Thierry , You are not one of the owners of the Hammond , do you think you may not know everything of the private workings and business matters of the owners of the Hammond?? Or do you know everything on all ongoing private business matters by these multi-national millionaire owners? There have been many changes in the Save, many involving the very corrupt Zimbabwe government . I don’t have time nor do I want to research ownership history in the Save and specifically the Hammond Ranch. All I know is that we will never be hunting there again in the future.

4WD - all I can tell you is I’ve been hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy for 22yrs and that I’ve also done many many hunts on Hammond over the years and including in 2019 and have always had good experiences there. You are most certainly entitled to share your experience as you experienced it. You are correct in saying that it is not the same experience as it would’ve been in for example some areas of the Zambezi Valley, The Selous, Nothern Mozambique etc Is that what you were expecting? Perhaps do better research next time.

In all fairness Theirry when you are booking a safari you are presented with the positives and not the negatives.

Andrew what or what he was not told we don’t know. But I do know that Hammond has not lost half its area. It hasn’t lost a single acre in fact. I do know that his son hunted Senuko and not Sengwa. I do know that he did not shoot well. I do know that he is obviously disgruntled about his experience and trying to blame everyone else for it.

Hi Theirry,

I was not there so cannot really comment but you and I have spent enough days in the field to determine whether a buff is badly wounded or has been nicked. It would be our discretion to decide
the next and best course of action.

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Andrew you are absolutely correct but everyone in this business knows that a wounded and lost animal comes off the quota and must be paid for. I for example as a freelance PH hunting on someone else's property cannot make the final call on whether to charge the client or not for a wounded animal no matter how much or little blood there is. If landowner were to find out that I didn't report a wounded animal it would strain the relationship. I can give the landowner my viewpoint on the situation, shot etc and that's it. Take it from there.

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A. Dahlgren,
You may want to do some detailed research before booking on the Hammond. The concession was decreased in size by 50% in 2019 and is now quite small . Buffalo travel in to neighboring concessions and you have to give up chase. Also limited plains game except for Impala.

4WD FYI Hammond is the same size it has always been. Not a single acre lost. Perhaps you need to do some research? It has some of the best buffalo hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy!

Thierry,
I hunted the Hammond ranch in 2019 for 10 days. My son accompanied me and was suppose to hunt on the Hammond ranch with me.I highly recommend anyone wanting to conduct a hunt on the Hammond ranch in the Save ,to book with caution. Upon arrival to the Hammond ranch in 2019 I was advised that my son who was suppose to hunt with me, would have to hunt on another concession the (Sengwa) since the Hammond had been partially sold, divided in two and they had lost quota prior to our arrival. You just don’t make this shit up. I have been on guided hunts for 40 years with some of the most respected outfitters in some of the most beautiful and remote camps in the world. Thierry , You are not one of the owners of the Hammond , do you think you may not know everything of the private workings and business matters of the owners of the Hammond?? Or do you know everything on all ongoing private business matters by these multi-national millionaire owners? There have been many changes in the Save, many involving the very corrupt Zimbabwe government . I don’t have time nor do I want to research ownership history in the Save and specifically the Hammond Ranch. All I know is that we will never be hunting there again in the future.

4WD - all I can tell you is I’ve been hunting in the Save Valley Conservancy for 22yrs and that I’ve also done many many hunts on Hammond over the years and including in 2019 and have always had good experiences there. You are most certainly entitled to share your experience as you experienced it. You are correct in saying that it is not the same experience as it would’ve been in for example some areas of the Zambezi Valley, The Selous, Nothern Mozambique etc Is that what you were expecting? Perhaps do better research next time.

In all fairness Theirry when you are booking a safari you are presented with the positives and not the negatives.

Andrew what or what he was not told we don’t know. But I do know that Hammond has not lost half its area. It hasn’t lost a single acre in fact. I do know that his son hunted Senuko and not Sengwa. I do know that he did not shoot well. I do know that he is obviously disgruntled about his experience and trying to blame everyone else for it.

Hi Theirry,

I was not there so cannot really comment but you and I have spent enough days in the field to determine whether a buff is badly wounded or has been nicked. It would be our discretion to decide
the next and best course of action.

Absolutely understand.

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I decided to go rogue with the hunt since the outfitter already broke the rules.I really didn’t care

Do you generally "go rogue" when things don't go your way? What a strange thing to do / write !

Peculiar thread at best.

A.D. - what are you after in Hammond if not buff if I may ask?

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