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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, playing the devil's advocate here (not really to be a ). I have absolutely no issue with taking out a female animal I consider a pest/varmint whether it has dependent young or not.

Show me a fox, coyote, possum, coon, woodchuck, porcupine, etc and it's dead, babies or not. Since I am a farmer, I've had my share of grief from abundant wildlife.

I'd in fact probably kill the young as well. I see no problem here with what happened on corecpa's hunt. The area has a leopard problem, they could have also killed the cubs but they chose not to. So what?

Just another way to think about the situation, that's all.

your post has nothing to do with the topic. corecpa is not a farmer and should act on what is most obvious

Aspen Hill,
IMO, I think that your attitude towards wildlife gives hunters a black eye. I can't believe that you would even consider killing a mother leopard,let alone her kittens! I think that the term "problem animals" is a bunch of bullshit, allowing yourself to feel justified in killing whatever you want. The farmers in Namibia shoot Cheetah on sight, leaving them to rot in the sun. Does this seem right? They justify it by saying that the cats kill all of their springbuck...give me a break.
I think that it's a big difference killing some coons,coyote,or woodchuck if you are a farmer, and killing a creature as magnificent as a Leopard. Just my opinion here and I'm not attacking anyone here but I think that what Corecpa,and especially his "professional hunter" did is a fucking disgrace.

I'm with Ann. The farmer/owner said it was a problem animal. They at least took the time to capture the cubs first.
You folks ever hear of "Cull Hunts"? Every animal in the group is killed, little ones and big ones. Babies still sucking are shot. I could and would do it, if I was convinced the reason for it was valid. I think it is a farmer mentality.
The old timers in Alaska used to "belly shoot" every bear they saw. Sow, boar, didn't matter.The bear might live for days and travel for miles before dying. The bear suffered terribly from the belly wound. Any young cubs starved after the sow dies.
They didn't do it for fun, they did it to protect their family and existance.
Sometimes the truth, is hard to understand.

we are not living in the 1800's TJ. today we just don't shoot mothers with young ones,whatever the reason.

Some of you must be aware that some states allow the taking of cubs and/or sow bears during the hunting season, e.g. Pennsylvania.I am in no way supporting that but some people just don't give a sh** and will shoot anything just so they get something. In regards to this story however I suspect that the hook has been set into some of you. I think it's a BS story.

You might be right!

shootaway, you sound like the typical nonhunter. There is no need to hunt today all meat one needs can be purchased at the store. Farm raised buffalo, venision, duck etc are available it is not necessary to go out and just kill bambi. This string has taken a life of its own.

Wolfgar like in many areas of disagreement ones back ground and enviorment help shape ones view. How much time have you spent in the rural USA. I have spent very little in the metropolitan areas of our country and what I have spent is by and large too much.

and you sound like my mother,here is what i believe today.just give the animal a healthy and long life and it is ok to shoot.i have shot mothers with young but didn't see the young with her until the mother was shot.these were scenes that bother me to this day.i have shot younger animals when it was healthy meat for the freezer that i was after.

I hate it when the sewer backs up in the political forum - all the turds start popping up over here.

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Originally posted by DrScott:
I hate it when the sewer backs up in the political forum - all the turds start popping up over here.

now, what was that all about

gentlemen if his ph captured and sold the cubs the day before then he did shoot a female without dependant cubs. or am I reading that wrong

Isn't this quite the thread.

I think part of what we have here is putting a value on different animals. Seems like I remember a thread not long ago where someone posted on long these lines. Said his daughter asked why he'd shoot a prairie dog indiscriminantly, but not a larger animal.

The discussion got into a debate about shooting coyotes with pups vs. say, something like this leopard with young cubs. Obviously some hunters will place a 'value' on certain species.

I think a leopard is a majestic animal, and I think a coyote is an overpopulated waste of oxygen in some states.

When I first read into this thread, I thought to myself, I'd never shoot a female leopard with cubs, whether they were captured and released somewhere else or not. They were young enough to be with their mother still for a reason. Nature would tell her when to wean them. These animals are specialized hunters and need to learn from their mother.

However, I'll also be the first to say, I'd shoot a whitetail Doe in a heartbeat even if she had a fawn with her, SO LONG AS THAT FAWN WAS BIG and no spots (even though I've seen spotted ones live just fine without their mother). I shot a doe last Saturday in KY. She had a younger deer with her but it was damn near as big as she was. The momma weighed 120 so I'd bet the younger one was at least 80lbs. Could have been a fawn from last year, or an early fawn this year that ate well.

I'd shoot any coyote where legal, pups or no pups. I've never been to Africa but it is on my list. In this scenario, I still don't think I'd shoot the female leopard because of the circumstance, but that is me, no matter how many trips I took. I'd be happy with knowing I had a shot but passed, or better yet, getting her and her cubs on film.

Whether something is legal or not, we hunters will ALWAYS have to deal with nonhunter perceptions/misconceptions. The story doesn't sound good, but overall, if it was indeed legal, I'm not going to trash this guy. But that is not the kind of hunt I'd take home with great memories.

I can't help it. Something sacred about a mother and cubs.
I feel the same about cow elephants. I'd shoot one if she charged, but, I'd do everything I could to keep from having to kill one.

This thread just hits a REAL deep emotion with me. Cats in particular keep their young around for a long time, and, watching them play, well, it's pretty amazing. Leopards
are just incredible animals, and, as my cat walks across in front of me, shooting a female leopard for a trophy, makes me really hope that on his next hunt, this guy wanders into a female leopard, protecting her cubs, at point blank range.

Shooting a mother with cubs puts you slightly below a child molester in my book.

I really hope this is just a scumbag troll, and, judging from 13 posts, since july of this year, it's a definite possibility. Here are the members posts, you be the judge:
"I have just received a second hand semi custom Ruger MKII in 458 Lott (it had never been fired). I have shot 20 rounds through it cycling fast and slow without any problems. Now I have been told that the ejectors are known to shatter? What experience do members have with this along with any recommendations?"

What kind of business are you in: his answer:
"CPA/Investment Advisor/Gigilo"

Posted 27 July 2006 22:52
Can I shoot 458 Win Mag through a Bolt Action 458 Lott?



Posted 02 August 2006 19:26

Ganyana
Are there any opportunities for visiting sportsmen to participate in culls like that or are those days gone forever?


Posted 29 July 2006 00:09
I am in that Video in the tuskless cow section, the screwed up brain shot section, sighting in a rifle section and a few wanderings through Chewore North. The video of the lioness going to the Cape Buffalo carcass is the lioness I killed shortly thereafter. I am one in the black T shirt with soft brown cowboy hat. I shot too high on the frontal brain shot, but gave a quick follow up to the heart and she still dropped within five yards. Buzz uses a Ruger 416 Rigby, but thinks very highly of the 458 Lott. I used a 375 H&H, but have recently purchased a 458 Lott that I will use on my next tuskless hunt with Buzz in Oct 2007. The late season tuskless hunts is the best deal out there for dangerous game. Only $ 650 a day with the opportunity to pick up whatever is left over on license for the trophy fee. I could have also have taken a male lion and Cape Buffalo if I had wanted to. The only hitch is the heat. You can expect daily temperatures easily over 100 F.

Posted 02 August 2006 00:29
I leave August 10th for a Kalahari tracking leopard hunt with Grassland Safaris in Botswana. I will let you know how it goes. They have a package deal for ten days with the leopard and five plains game animals for $ 20,000.
corecpa
new member

Posted 26 July 2006 19:28
Ganyana,

Ok, I will not use any key words such as money and bank, substituting banana and lovebox in their place. I suspected Zim didn't have the technology to effectively monitor emails, but I wanted to make sure I protected my PH.

Draw your onw conclusions...

GS

[quote]substituting banana and lovebox in their place.

I think that this guy is for real, however instead of (bananas and loveboxes) He is one sick individual.

Not sombody that I would like to spend anytime with.

91q45

who this guy is and if his story is true is not important.the issue is female with young and knowing beforehand.

When I read this kind of garbage, I'd rather it be a put on troll, and not just a real idiot that paid 20 grand to shoot a female leopard, with two cubs, captured, and sold...

GS