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Just got this book. I like it, great pictures and instructions, especially for beginners. Many of the shot placement suggestions are not where I would shoot, but, it does not matter. If you follow what it says, you won't go wrong. I personally don't believe in knockout values at all, all a load of pure bullshit as far as I am concerned. Main aim is to get the bullet to the right place. How big it is, is of no importance whatsoever. | |||
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In that case why not use armor piercing bullets for hunting? Would certainly tend to eliminate penetration issues. | |||
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In my experience, we no longer have penetration issues. Copper bullets will penetrate a buffalo bull from one end to the other. Shooting a buffalo facing away no longer requires you to break his spine. A good bullet will penetrate to the chest cavity with no problems at all. I shot two bulls this way last year. Had no doubts about the results. | |||
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Saeed; Where would you shoot a Buffalo instead of as described by Dr. Robertson. | |||
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Dr. Robertson recommends ideal places for shot placement. He backs his suggestions by photos and drawings of the animals. Which fantastic. Also, the photos are so clear it gives you the impression you are standing right next to the animal. Great for explaining a point, but far from real in actual hunting situations. This is NOT criticizing the book or his suggestions. Last two safaris I had I shot 22 buffalo. Not a single one gave me a perfect shot. Every single one was killed by a shot from awkward position. Several were shot in the rear leg, and every case the bullet was lodged in the front of the chest cavity. Some were quartering away. Shot through the stomach. Again, they died from damages to the chest cavity. One we followed and found standing looking away at an acute angle. His body was covered by bush, and only his head was visible. A bullet to the back of the head dropped him. It is a rather sad situation, in my own experience, that most hunters are not aware of the anatomy of the animals they shoot, or they tend to get nervous and mess up the shot. I have seen it many many times. Sometimes despite the fact that I actually tell them where to shot standing next to them. Somehow the bullet tends to get somewhere else. The book is great, it tends to follow what a good professional hunter would inform his clients to do. I have been on hunts where the PH would not allow his client to shoot a buffalo, either because of the distance or the angle of the shot or the situation they were in. My situation is a bit different. The PHs I hunt with I have been hunting with for 40 years. We know each other very well. We have been in some hairy situations, but we always came out on top. I think ultimately with us is total trust in your hunting partner. Once an animal is picked, the client is in charge and takes whatever shot he deems necessary. A long time ago we used to argue. "Oh HELL! What did you do?" My PH would scream. "I shot him up the arse!" "Why did you do that? It was a terrible angle!" "No it isn't! I have magic bullets. I bet he is already dead by now!" A few minutes later we found our buffalo dead. Eventually, my PH would shout "shoot him up the arse!" at a running away buffalo! Sometimes I even scratch my head at my PH's instructions. walking towards an eland once in a very open plain, the eland started to get fidgety, we were still miles away. My PH puts the shooting sticks up and says "He is a bit far. You have to aim high!" I did. And I killed the eland. But I kept reminding him of this! He said "you keep telling me if you can see it, you can hit it!" I am totally convinced PHs in Africa have had all their brains evaporated from their heads because of the sun! That is assuming they had in the first place! | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saeed: Just got this book. I like it, great pictures and instructions, especially for beginners. Many of the shot placement suggestions are not where I would shoot, but, it does not matter. If you follow what it says, you won't go wrong. I personally don't believe in knockout values at all, all a load of pure bullshit as far as I am concerned. Taylor's book where he wrote about his KO value was published in 1948 and he was relating his KO values to the effect of heavy bullets if you MISSED the brain of elephant especially, or the vital spot in other animals. If you drive any bullet into the brain of an elephant or into the vital spot on any other animal of course the animal is yours but not everyone does that each and every time. The problem starts when you MISS the brain or vital spot. Time to let Taylor rest in peace, Saeed Main aim is to get the bullet to the right place. Absolutely agree with you. How big it is, is of no importance whatsoever. So why bother using a 375/404 with specially made solid copper bullets loaded to 2700fps in a heavier rifle with heavier recoil. Why not just use a lightweight 7x57 with 175gr solid copper bullets?[QUOTE] | |||
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Taylors KO values are still being quoted, including in this book. Frankly, I would be happy hunting anything on this earth with my 30/404, and my own bullets. Being the black sheep of the family has its advantages, I like to do things my own way. Wanted a BBQ for our desert outings, could not find what I wanted, so made my own! Weird minds work in weird ways! I am hoping it will keep Alzheimer away! | |||
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