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Out of sheer curiosity, how many members here have ever needed the fourth, fifth or sixth shot in a rifle? If so, what were the conditions that gave rise to the need? | ||
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Used 'em all and then some. First Cape Buff, going away. .416Rem Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I have used a Ruger#1 in 338 mag for years and seldom needed a second shot. I always reload in preparation for a second, but usually not needed. I have practiced a lot reloading from the Murray cartridge holder on the butt. With practice you can load and accurately fire almost as fast as a bolt action. I recently purchased a Ruger#1 in 375 H&H that I plan to use for DG in the future. | |||
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jsl Emptied the gun a couple of times on buffalo or more precisely fired 2-3, ran recharging the magazine and repeated as neccesary. A rifle holding 4-5 down is a good thing. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Sometimes, a belt-fed rifle would be a good thing! JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I believe I have just the thing for such an occasion ... our Bad Boy VIII (7 round clip, Steyr bolt action, we build them in 375 H&H but can do bigger calibers eg 416 Rem Mag, would like to attempt a 404 if someone wants one..) Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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5 of 6. Elephant. Close. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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reloaded twice on my first buffalo. | |||
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I have gone five for six on a Cape buffalo, five for five on a hippo and four for four once, and then four for four again (with a quick reload), for a total of eight, in rapid succession, on an elephant. Just so you don't think I was shooting at center of mass -  - these were all efforts to keep an animal on the ground, right where he fell, or to drop one while he was running towards water, where I didn't want him to go.That kind of experience is why I prefer a bolt action over a double, and especially a large capacity bolt action.  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Just to throw in some possible controversy, my PH and game farm owner insists that everyone who uses bolt action rifles and hunts with him, whether plains or dangerous game, load three in the magazine no matter what capacity the magazine or whether you can put one up as well as however many in the magazine. His argument is that everyone, you, him, the tracker (who is a Namibian Master Hunting guide) will know for certain when you need to reload with three as the magic number. Too complicated to remember four -- or was it five in the heat of the moment... Doesn't affect me as I use a double or a single shot falling block. PH's may have some comment on this, 'tho. Regards | |||
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In my Sako Finnbear 375 H&H Mag it goes 4 in the magazin and one in the chamber, I always load with 2 in the magazin and 1 in the chamber, 3 shot is more than enough I shot 3 shot at a Moose once but I really dosen`t had to use all 3, It`s more important that you can shot fast and good with those 2,3 or 4 rounds you have, I train on target to shoot with the aim at the target all the time without lifting the rifle out of possition, I use about 15 sec to fire 4 shot and all are normal good hit, hit that would have killed the animal. But I wish I had a Ruger #1 in 458 lott with one in the chamber and one between the fingers I think I would do a proper job on hunting Salesagent Africa hunting | |||
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6 to 7 shots on my first cape buffalo. I got my $$$$$'s worth.  DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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Three might be plenty on a moose but I want all I can get for buffalo. Needed 7 once | |||
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I would have no problem with that policy. I would just find a different outfit to hunt with.  Does he also tie his clients boots for them? What a crock... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Like Mark I have never used every shell in my magazine but have used 6 on a buffalo before. My favorite pastime is the old buffalo run and gun. Shoot 1or2, reload on the run shoot a couple more, reload on the run, shoot till he stays down. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I've only ever needed one shot........  LOL Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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??? I don;t get it. The dude is a PH, has a master hunting guide and can;t remember 4 or 5 versus 3? Is he missing two fingers on his hand or something? How many stories has he where the client's gun went click but not boom on an empty chamber? Phooey. | |||
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Ah yes see Number 4 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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 I always enjoy reference to the "Dettorre Doctrine". | |||
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The more the merrier!!! 465H&H | |||
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Every once in a while, yes!  | |||
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Better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them. That being said, in my experience, I've rarely needed a second, let alone a third. Now, that's considering the animals I've hit with the first one. Many are the times I've airmailed a target (complete miss) and not even had the chance to fire a second.  | |||
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My first buff took 11 shots, 7 were fatal, my last shot was 4 feet at a mad and not down buff. If I had been shooting a bolt instead of a double it wouldn't have gotten so out of hand. The whole process took about 10 seconds. Love my doubles, but I now hunt with a bolt.....Tom SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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