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18 February 2009, 07:29
retreever
Shoot or dont shoot...
This guy was strolling thru a friends concession in Mozambique , up against Gonerezeou
Two PH's estimated him to be 22 inch girth.. Eeker




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18 February 2009, 07:33
SBT
BANG!


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18 February 2009, 07:35
jdollar
only if i could import the tusks- which unfortunately the USFWS in their infinite wisdom has decided i can't. screwed again by my rich uncle in Washington. Oh well. the new Messiah will ultimately save us all and make such decisions a moot point.


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18 February 2009, 07:37
retreever
He is going to walk north and west to give Scott a wack at him in Nov. Big Grin

Mike


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18 February 2009, 07:38
AzGuy
Might even take a "Texas Heart Shot" on that Big Boy!


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18 February 2009, 07:56
Andrew McLaren
Yes, I'll BANG him! But where do I aim?

Can Ivan Carter or any one of the experienced elephant PH's help?

Assume that an adequate velocity, diameter and weight suitable designed and constructed bullet will result in straight penetration.Where do you aim to hit the brain? Shoot in the middle of one of the the little dark shadow spots behind the ear that is alomst surrounded by green leaves? The topmost "pear shaped" one, or the biggest almost 5-sided one, or the little triangular one? Is the shadow line about the correct front to back line? Which one of the little shadow spots is the correct height?
Methinks thesmall triangular dark spot may do. Or will I get stomped? Big Grin Just asking, as a heart shot as standing needs to go through a lot of animal before getting to the heart. Yes, I know: Wait for him to turn or get yourself in position for a better shot, but what if you have to shoot as he is in the photo?

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18 February 2009, 08:02
Gerhard.Delport
I would shoot this bull.

But I would get in front of him depending of the wind and make sure I get a clean kill.


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18 February 2009, 08:18
Macifej
I'd sprint right up and pull his tail and then run back behind that tree ... rotflmo
18 February 2009, 08:24
jdollar
what about breaking him down with a shot to the left hip, then moving quickly for a finishing brain shot. don't know, just asking.


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18 February 2009, 08:40
ALF
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18 February 2009, 09:35
Kwan
Alf

My first thought exactly, I have a photo somewhere of a bull with same tusk configuration in Kruger, now he might have walked out of Kruger into the Transfrontier Park

But Billy Swanepoel, a friend of mine who is the ranger there flies the park everyday, and if he was too see that bull, it would get a couple of game scouts on his tail as protection the whole day


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18 February 2009, 09:47
Idaho Sharpshooter
I could put a macifej solid out of my 550 Gibbs (615gr@2200fps) right between his eyes, and by time he stopped twitching...I'd have his nut sack off for momma a new handbag.

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18 February 2009, 15:45
Whitworth
Jeese, by the title of this post, I thought Adrook again posted something with homosexual undertones (overtones? Confused)........ jumping

Sorry....... Big Grin



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18 February 2009, 17:39
retreever
I would spine him or tag along to the correct angle for a heart or side brain...

Mike


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18 February 2009, 17:44
Whitworth
Mike, you have a PM........



"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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18 February 2009, 18:33
ivan carter
quote:
Yes, I'll BANG him! But where do I aim?

Can Ivan Carter or any one of the experienced elephant PH's help?


i would say just based on the photo , by the way his head is , he knows we are there and will do one of two things , spin around and take off , or turn and face ...with a bull of this maginitude , i would say we woulod look at a raking shot into the heart lung area ... in the middl of that dark patch of skin ....

it would be a very very tough brainshot and unless i had secure backup that could followup if it didnt work , i wouldnt attempt that shot ...

i way prefer a brainshot but this is an incredible trophy and looks skittish ...


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18 February 2009, 19:15
577NitroExpress
quote:
Originally posted by ivan carter:

i would say just based on the photo , by the way his head is , he knows we are there and will do one of two things , spin around and take off , or turn and face ...with a bull of this maginitude , i would say we woulod look at a raking shot into the heart lung area ... in the middl of that dark patch of skin ....

it would be a very very tough brainshot and unless i had secure backup that could followup if it didnt work , i wouldnt attempt that shot ...

i way prefer a brainshot but this is an incredible trophy and looks skittish ...


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If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming...

18 February 2009, 20:49
retreever
Alf and Kwan it is not Hlanganini.. The ivory is off here is H.

http://home.wol.co.za/~2014381...oday.html#Hlanganini


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18 February 2009, 21:30
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18 February 2009, 21:40
RaySendero
quote:
Originally posted by retreever:
This guy was strolling thru a friend of mines concession in Mozambique , up against Gonerezeou
Two PH's estimated him to be 22 inch girth.. Eeker



Think Ele hunters should be able to handle an adreniline rush!

Holler loud, If he runs away - Let him go - He wins.

If he turns and charges, he may still win but you'll get your shot!


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19 February 2009, 01:51
Bill C
quote:
Think Ele hunters should be able to handle an adreniline rush! Holler loud, If he runs away - Let him go - He wins. If he turns and charges, he may still win but you'll get your shot!
Actually, this was how we encountered my bull after tracking for several hours (he did not know we were there and was calm). I walked up behind him to quite close, we were expecting him to wield around and give me that classic frontal head-up look. Instead, he glanced back, eyes got wide, and he took off. Luckily instead of heading straight the direction he was facing, he for some reason went right and I was able to get off a side brain shot before he got up to full speed. It was open and there would have been time for a 2nd shot even w/a bolt action, and the PH would have shot too.

With this guy, as Ivan (who knows infinitely more about this then I) said, the bigger the ivory the less chances one is willing to take. Which ain't necessarily "right", but understandable. The question is, what about that ~60lb Zim bull...near the end of the hunt. I'd like to think I'd do the same thing as before, and go for a clean brain shot.
19 February 2009, 04:42
Will
Bulls don't get big by facing danger! They get the hell out of town ASAP. Heart/lung shoot that sucker while you have the chance.


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19 February 2009, 05:09
Bwana Bunduki
I would pass on this ele. You can't tell from this angle if he has a hard boss or a black nose. Could be the herd bull afterall...
19 February 2009, 05:32
465H&H
I would either get a better shot or let him go. Big ivory just isn't important enough to me to chance losing such a wonderful animal to a cripple loss.

465H&H
19 February 2009, 05:40
Will
quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
I would either get a better shot or let him go. Big ivory just isn't important enough to me to chance losing such a wonderful animal to a cripple loss.

465H&H


Smiler Does this mean you have never had a flubbed brain shot? You can kill them just as dead with a lung shot.


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Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun.
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19 February 2009, 06:06
GarBy
ONLY if the PH called it at less than 50#....so I would have the high trophy fee........ Roll Eyes....any blind PH's out there?

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19 February 2009, 06:08
GarBy
WOULDN'T have the high trophy fee.....sorry....I got nervous just looking at him....

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19 February 2009, 19:08
Wendell Reich
quote:
Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
I would pass on this ele. You can't tell from this angle if he has a hard boss or a black nose. Could be the herd bull afterall...

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19 February 2009, 21:27
465H&H
quote:
Originally posted by Will:
quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
I would either get a better shot or let him go. Big ivory just isn't important enough to me to chance losing such a wonderful animal to a cripple loss.

465H&H


Smiler Does this mean you have never had a flubbed brain shot? You can kill them just as dead with a lung shot.



As you well know and I have admitted here, I have muffed my fair share of brain shots. When I said I would wait for a better shot that would include a heart lung shot if available. I have also taken my fair share of eles using the heart/lung shot in the past.

465H&H
20 February 2009, 16:10
Will
465H&H

I'm just yanking your chain.


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21 February 2009, 01:37
465H&H
quote:
Originally posted by Will:
465H&H

I'm just yanking your chain.


I knew that! Wink But others might not know about your perverted sense of humour.... dancing

465H&H
21 February 2009, 04:34
Antlers
quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
quote:
Originally posted by Will:
465H&H

I'm just yanking your chain.


I knew that! Wink But others might not know about your perverted sense of humour.... dancing

465H&H


rotflmao ... that's funny.


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