Today on Bushnell's Secret of the Hunt June 2 2005 Classic Hunt #4, they were hunting Blanco Creek Ranch in Sabinal Texas. Jeremy Kelso was hunting....he is a member of South 65....a country group.

Well, while watching the shooting of a buck, I noticed the bolt was open before, during, and after the shot. He sticks his rifle out the window and I said to myself...the bolt is open....this is gona suck when he pulls and no bang. Well, with his finger on the trigger,I got ready for the disappointment and then to my surprise....boooooooom....down goes the buck. Thought I had seen it wrong until they cut back to the shooter and sure enough his hands had not moved but the bolt was still up!!! I thought to myself no big deal, most of the hunting shows FAKE certain things...finding the animal, trigger squeeze etc...

BUT THEN here comes the WHAMMY....Dave Watson the host goes into this long spill about how his hunting show is REAL...not faked like some shows. The way you see it is the way it happened...none of this cutting here and boom dead deer.

All of this and TERRIBLE acting to boot.....I MUST SAY IT HAS NOW BECOME A CLASSSSSSSIC....emphasis on ASS. I have shown it to mu buddies and we all crack up.

I CRACKED UP!!! Laughed my ASS off

So then, seeing as he has his own forum....I thought I would email him but guess what, no email. So I posted this message and guess what....DELETED.

Too funny,
Kyle

5redman8, I could have told you you would get the reaction you got from Dave Watson! I visited that forum for a short time, and found it was his way or the Highway. Any opinion that wasn't to his likeing, hit the "CUTTING FLOOR"!
Unfortunently, the folks who post there regularly, believe everything he puts out, and for the most part are a little ignorant where true hunting is concerened!

As some of you have seen, every once and a while, I do a hunting video at the invite of somebody. I believe that the Outdoor Channel is still showing a deer hunt where I shoot a running buck with my bow and another where I shoot a good black bear.

I, like any "guest", am at the mercy of the editor. Mine, however, have been pretty darn real... but there is one funny as heck scene that got lost (on purpose) on the cutting room floor.

On a hunt in Manitoba, with my recurve, I screwed the pooch and gut shot a bear. The host and I began to track the bear, all the while being videoed. Darn if we didn't come across a perfectly flat and empty piece of small intestine, about 14" long and it looked as if it had been ironed.. heck, it looked like a fried bacon.

The host picked it up, smelled it and threw it down, and rightfull so, disgusted with my shot... right on camera, I picked it up and put it in my pocket... The host spun around and asked what the heck I was doing.. I replied that if we didn't find the bear, at least, we could cook it for breakfast... I didn''t win any friends with that...

Anyway, alls well that ends well, and a super-sharp broad head did it's work and we found the bear, dead as Elvis, only a few yards later...

BTW, the tracking on all the videos have been "real" except that once we've found the deer, bear or elk, the camera man has circled past the kill and filmed the last few yards, as if I "just" discovered the animal. Yeah, it's hokey, but not so staged.

I've spent hundreds of hours on stand/stalking, etc. on videos... If we failed to get good video, we just packed up our stuff and wrote it off. Faking a kill, just ain't necessary, in my experience. Good producers know that the consumer isn't an idiot... My "over the shoulder" filmed running deer shot, in my humble opinion is the best shooting scene out there. It took about 50 hours to get and was done the last few minutes of a 7 day hunt. Multiple shooting opportunites were passed because the whole scene would not have been filmed.. in other words, the archer, the release, the arrow flight, the deer and the result of the shot would have been compromised for some reason. The best videographers demand no less.

Guess what... that producer on the bear video hasn't asked me back. I guess he didn't like my humor... but I'm a crass ol' fart.

We did a hog hunting video in the early 90's with Keith Warren (or was it Alan?) on a ranch in Laredo, TX. The video aired on the predecessor to fox sports, I believe it was Prime Sports. Anyway, about half of it was real but there were a few blatent misrepresentations.

My cousin shot a hog in a sendero while the dogs were catching another one in the brush. So they staged it with Keith running through the brush with his pistol in his hand, with the sounds of dogs barking in the background.

He turns to his sidekick running next to him and says "Hey, did you see that hog?" Then he raises his pistol and acts like he shoots the hog that had actually been killed 2 hours previously.

Then Sidekick proclaims, "Great shot, Keith!" as he pats him on the back vigorously.

I had a role in a game farm video once. The guys laid in the grass and threw rooster pheasants in the air as I approached and my dog (Koko a chocolate Labrador) was the star with his retrieving.
I bet I shot fifty pheasants in an hour and many of them doubles. It was a blast but the video looked like real hunting.

Gentlemen,

You might enjoy reading some of the posts on this thread.

The "Experts" opinions

This is the second buffalo we shot right in front of my friend Ray's nose!

We were hunting the same block, in two seperate trucks.

On thos occasion, we were on our way back to camp late in the afternoon. And we saw some buffalo in very thick bush bordering a dry river bed.

We jumped out of the truck, and managed to see part of the head of one looking at us from a very close distance. I shot him in the head, and he dropped. The two others with him ran across the dry river, and we went after them.

I shot one of those as he was running away, as you can see in the video. The bullet cut his aorta, and was gushing blood for about 70 yards, when he could not run any longer and stopped. I shot him and again and dropped him.

Those of you who have seen our hunting videos, we tend to go the other way when it comes to editing.

We leave things as they were, warts and all, which of course gets some falks very annoyed, as displayed by the so called hunters in the above thread.

Especially the experts on buffalo hunting, who think it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Saeed, the only full length video of yours I got to see was the Tanzania one that went out about 2 years ago. (by the way, I would be willing to pay for the dvd's and shipping if you would be willing to send me any more)

the scene where you shoot the hippo and it turns over and is kicking. My wife was watching and really didn't like that. I thought it was good though, uncut footage shows what really is going on. I told her it might have been already dead and nerves hadn't realized it yet. I want to see all the "oh s*#t's!" and "son of a b*#ch!" moments. that is what makes it real.

I understand on things where stalking or sitting in a bunker in a planted deer patch you have to do some editing. I want details but not 15 hours of watching you pick your nose and wait!

Red
Edited - Hey Saeed, which video is it on the list of videos? thanks

It is called a cutwaway or pick up shot.
The animal was already dead when those shot were taped. As is usual they were more concerned with framing the shot than pay attention to details.

Saeed, thanks for pointing us to a forum were people really know about africa, also they seems to have a lot of big posts since I found this on page 3

Guy 1

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the never ending thread.....

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Indeed!!

Again thanks Saeed, I had my best laugh of today !

I guided Keith Warren on a deer hunt around Encinal. I big ole stickin black boar came out and Keith shot it. When he gets to where the hog is laying he starts talking about what kind of good eating this hog is going to be. When the filming stopped I had to ask him if he was planning on eating that stinking thing. Hell no! Toss it in the brush.

I am off to RSA on Monday afternoon. I am taking over a group of 3 and we will be filming for three shows on the Mens Channel this next year and into 06'.
What makes me sick is this "open bolt"(posted earlier) kind of mentality. We have given ourselves 3 weeks to get 3 shows of Plains Game shooting.
Myself, the ones on camera and the cameraman have had hours of discussion over NO set up film shots and NO waterhole shooting.
Will post pictures when we return.

Since I am still just planning on my first trip Africa, I probably shouldn't even comment. However, I have begun this thing of shooting them 'till they quit - deer, hogs, ducks, whatever. To paraphase one of our member's tagline "the sound of a trophy fee gone bad - don't shoot again, you hit him hard the first time". I personally feel that it worse to loose a wounded animal than to take that second shot straight to the rear - I'd rather loose a couple pounds of meat than the whole animal. The animal doesn't care so much how it dies, so long as it is quick. A heart or spine shot from the rear creates a dead animal, just as quick (sometimes quicker) than a broadside lung shot, as long as you've got the horsepower/bullet combination to pentrate from the angle you shoot.

From what I read, this obsession of NA hunters with the perfect broadside, one-shot behind the shoulder that takes 30 seconds frustrates the hell out of African PHs. My understanding, is that when they ask if your are ready - the next sound they expect is muzzle blast.

As far as running shots, I've always heard that shotgunners make the best rifle hunting shots.

Saeed, I read that string and never saw so much self-smugness. My appoligies for such americans, thank goodness you know from here we are not all Buffalo asses.

Hell, I followed that link, and had to register before I could even view a post, and still didn't find what you guys are talking about! What heading is it under?

It really doesn't matter anyway, there is little Cape Buffalo hunting in Mich, so there is no doubt they are ignorant of any African hunting!

May I please be one of the first to get a copy of your hunt. Sounds like what I am looking for.

Kyle

Hey Ernest, if you're still following this thread. Is there anyway I can see the clip of you shooting that running buck with your bow? I'd sure be interested!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,

You might enjoy reading some of the posts on this thread.

The "Experts" opinions


Especially the experts on buffalo hunting, who think it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

In America we have developed a very strict caste system much like other countries. However it's not one of income, or what job one has, or education, or even (some will disagree) color or creed or national origin.....it's purely one of ATTITUDE.

It's their attitude that will keep them trying to bag a Michigan whitetail for the rest of their lives. When it comes to shooting fish in a barrel, Michigan deer is as cloase as it gets.

PreWar 70:
The video is sometimes available through ebay, etc. I believe the name is MegaBucks V.

Here is a picture of the shot right before release.