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Mulla was offering economic hunts was he not? with "catching phrases" like 5 buff on license? In all my time in the hunting scene I have never, ever heard of the game scout shooting camp meat himself unless the camp was void of PH and clients. He has always asked the PH to shoot or ask one of the clients to do the honors and would never allow himself the luxury of shooting a Buff. The norm would be Impala, Hartebeest or Wildebeest. | |||
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When we booked the hunt there was no discounted hunts or more than two buff on a license. The PH said that the game scout was the only person in camp that could take an animal. He was supposed to get an impala. While stauking the impala he came acrossed the buff and shot him instead. Along with Mulla the game scout was an idiot. The rifle he ruined had a Zeiss divarti, also ruined, about $3000 worth, all total. SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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The Game Scout (Officer) has the powers to give an animal (free) for the pot and as stated earlier, game which is considered for the pot (depending on how many mouths or stomachs need filling), normally comes in the form of Impala, Hartebeest or Wildebeest (preferably not a trophy size either!). It is also very unlikely for the Game Scout to use his own rifle (normally a 458 with no front bead) as his ammunition is counted (hardly ever more than 5 rounds)and to be used in emergency situations and for him to later have to account for several wasted shots on an Impala for the pot would not go down very well with his superiors. Seeing 90% of these gentlemen couldn't hit a barn door from 10 yards, they know that it would be in the interests of all bellies concerned that the procurement of essential ingredients for the pot be handled by the PH or client. I guess things are different in Mulla's block. | |||
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We had an old scout named Saeedi, he said he started working in the game department many years ago. We have a shooting contest for our scouts and trackers, and Saeedi won it that year, as he put all his shots in less than 2 inches at 100 yards. With my 375/404. One could tell he knows his rifle the way he held it. | |||
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Saeed - Saeedi would be the extreme rarity, as I am sure you would agree. I too have done the camp staff shooting contests, which are great fun and very entertaining! I would say at least 50% of the time, the game scouts I have hunted with don't even have ammo for their gun, much less the ability to use it! | |||
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He was 1 in among the 10% And you said it........"We had an old scout named Saeedi, he said he started working in the game department many years ago" (probably in the days of Brian Nicholson when the Game Dept. was functional, in all respects. | |||
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He actualy did work for Brian Nicholson. We had another one, and we asked him if he could shoot. He said he did, but not with a scope. So I let him try one round from my rifle while out in the bush. He missed the blaze on the tree trunk by a couple of inches, whihc was not bad at all. At the contest, half way through, he had ZERO points. So he decided to use the PHs rifle with open sights. He agin ended up with zero, together with another man. They had a shoot off, and he still ended up last | |||
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How long ago did you have Saidi as a scout? I ask this because the permanent scout who used to accompany me on my personal elephant hunts went by the name of Saidi Omari, he too was one of Brian's boys; if they were unable to shoot straight they were not assigned to the field ...alas, he has gone to happier hunting grounds. But again, Saidi is a commonly used swahili muslim name as John would be for christians. | |||
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It must have been 2 or 3 years ago. | |||
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Same name different person. My chappie passed away before his time close to 10 yrs ago. | |||
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[The Game Scout (Officer) has the powers to give an animal (free) for the pot and as stated earlier, game which is considered for the pot (depending on how many mouths or stomachs need filling), normally comes in the form of Impala, Hartebeest or Wildebeest (preferably not a trophy size either!). It is also very unlikely for the Game Scout to use his own rifle (normally a 458 with no front bead) as his ammunition is counted (hardly ever more than 5 rounds)and to be used in emergency situations and for him to later have to account for several wasted shots on an Impala for the pot would not go down very well with his superiors. Seeing 90% of these gentlemen couldn't hit a barn door from 10 yards, they know that it would be in the interests of all bellies concerned that the procurement of essential ingredients for the pot be handled by the PH or client. I guess things are different in Mulla's block.[/QUOTE] I would have thought that allowing the client to shoot something for the pot would be a bonus and would up his tip. Game scouts are not known for there cleverness. There were 16 in the camp staff + trackers, clients and Ph's. I have had three game scouts in Tanzania and all of them carried an old, worn, SKS 7.62 X 39. I'm sure the Viet cong used it up before it went to Africa. As to, if they had ammo, I couldn't say. You are spot on about shooting ability. Most of the camp staff doesn't know how to pick up a gun let alone aim it. Most of the trackers on my last trip were retired or semi-retired elephant poachers, they knew how to handle a gun. One carried a beautiful custom German mauser in .375 Mashburn. He shot .375 H&H in it and the accuracy was excellent. We tried to talk them out of the gun but, no dice SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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I have been asked, on a number of occasions, to shoot rations, which I was more than happy to do. | |||
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while I have never shot "camp rations", I was asked to shoot biltong meat which was quite fun as I was requested to make head shots on impala. So we set up sand bags on the folded down windscreen of the safari car. Quite good fun. I was two fro two so felt is was best to quit while I was ahead. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The two buff that the game scout shot became biltong almost instantly. We were lucky to see any of the staff for about a day and a half while they racked and dried biltong. Two buff makes a lot of biltong. SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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