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The following are four of the bullets recovered from the animals we took in Tanz. From left to right: 250BT and core from tail of lion; 250BT recovered from chest/side of lion; .375 Woodleigh recovered from ?; and 286 Partition recovered from Oryx.   First 250BT hit lion just right of tail and was underskin in left groin, the second 250 BT hit on the point of the left shoulder, passed through heart/lungs and was recovered with base having penetrated the skin on the right side of the chest. The third bullet is a .375 Woodleigh soft point that was recovered from an unknown animal. Retained weight was 186 grains. The fourth bullet is a 286 Partition recovered from the chest muscles of the oryx that I shot in the left rear haunch and passed lengthwise through the animal. Retained weight of the Partition was 261 grains. Kudude | ||
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kudude, Great information, thanks. Regards, Terry P.S. I edited your pics so they would download faster.  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Terry, Thanks yet again. I will get the hand of this one of these days. Kudude | |||
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I love recovered bullet pics. Thanks for posting them. | |||
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What is the sixth bullet... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Thanks, I like those pics. Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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Me Too!!!! It seems we have more in common than detest for Weatherbys /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Kudude, Nice to see some recovered bullets. Looks like the 286-grain Partition could be used in an advertisement!!!! The 250 grain Ballistic Tip worked well for you. Given the relatively small nummber of lions taken every year and most hunters using .375 H&H or larger - I wonder if anyone has ever taken a lion before with this bullet? It's not what you would traditionally think of when talking lions. Great report on your hunt. Thanks for posting. Phil | |||
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Mike, 6th Bullet? First two images are one bullet, a core and jacket; third image is 250BT also; fourth image is .375HH Woodleigh Protected Point recovered from Kevin's buffalo according to Kevin; and the fifth image is a 286gr Partition recovered from my oryx. Robinson comments in The Perfect Shot that the Nosler Partition is too stout for lion. Based upon the performance of the 286Partition in my 9.3x62 at a velocity of @ 2400fps, I got very little expansion on shots through eland and zebra broadside to me at 100-150yds. At very close range as a grace shot on the sable, it mushroomed fully and did not exit. I concluded that Robinson was right. The 250BT was my best choice given its performance on the impala and the warthog, or at least the best choice of the bullets I had loaded (Partitions, BT, and Woodleigh RNSP and Solids.) My experience with the 250BT was that for any broadside shot, except buffalo, and for any shot on light to medium weight animals, it kills effectively. For follow up shots on larger animals, the 286gr Partitions work well for raking shots. Nosler might want to consider a combination of the two technologies to insure a better mushroom on broadside shots with the Partition, and still obtain the deep penetration. Loading the 250BT over the 286Partition seemed to be a good solution. Fortunately, we only had six follow ups. The lion and impala were two 250's. The zebra was two Partitions. The Sable and my Wildebeeste were a 250BT and Partition. My son's Wildebeeste was two 375's. (We both had an animal each the took five shots-both needed three grace shots.) Kudude | |||
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From my view point I will take the Nosler partitions and Woodlieghs over the 250 gr. BT...which I would not use.... The Noslers penitrate and kill, maybe not as spectacularly as the fragile bullets, but they are positive and they expanded plenty from what I see, that is exactly what I want...I have used the 286 extensively on a lot of game and it always suited me.. Any bullet I hunt with is required to penetrate the animal I am hunting lengthwise and always leave an exit hole on broadside shots... IMO you got lucky on the lion as the BT stopped in his groin, not good at all IMO...the nosler would have reached his upper vitals... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, Where the bullet stopped was an issue of angle and not penetrating ability. The bullet in the groin penetrated the lion's pelvic girdle from the right of his tail to the left groin. The bullet recovered from the skin on the off-side of his chest had hit the shoulder, heart, and then lungs. These 250s were the few we recovered because most had fully penetrated the animals shot with them. The Partitions penetrated, but with very little, if any, upset on broadside shots. They performed well on the animals hit with raking shots. As indicated above, in the 9.3x62 there is a need, I believe, for a "Combined Technology" bullet from Nosler that uses the plastic tip and the partition design. This is particularly true for African hunting where you want to use one bullet for everything. If I had to pick a weight for this bullet it would be about 270grs. Kudude | |||
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