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Hemingway's African Safari Photos - Add'l Photos Added
25 November 2010, 02:58
BaxterBHemingway's African Safari Photos - Add'l Photos Added
quote:
novels based/titled on tough brave gay characters
I'll call bullshit on that first...
Second, to understand Greg, you need to read Running With the Bulls by Valerie Hemingway; Greg's wife.
Given that, Valerie is interesting herself and I believe at times she is a bit disingenuous when it comes to her reaction to being around Ernest.
25 November 2010, 03:26
Traxquote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
quote:
novels based/titled on tough brave gay characters
I'll call bullshit on that first...
Not to suggest he was gay, but he does involve gay characters and homosexuality in his books.
http://www.glbtq.com/literature/hemingway_e.htmlhttp://deptorg.knox.edu/engdep...Essay-Pages_6-10.htm25 November 2010, 03:50
BaxterBWhich books, who and what evidence?
And by that I mean other than female homosexuality.
Added Later... My issue with this is that the homosexual characters were not major, save the italian dude with the oil and his nose, and they were not some sort of exploration os a side of Hemingway that he suppressed.
Books are different for every person and every person brings his own stuff to them, i think that people do this and then claim that it was Hem's intention verus their reaction (e.g how important homosexuality was as a theme in the stories)
25 November 2010, 06:57
TraxSince we arnt able to get it from the Horses mouth, we will never really know what sexual/emotional issues may have or may not have been latent or suppressed in EH. People are often a product of their environment.
27 November 2010, 08:15
sambarman338Trax,
that Hemingway's first wife was older than him may have indicated the need for a mother figure but nothing bothers me much in what he wrote.
The only observations I can recall him making about gays was that some waiter was one and that the playwrights in NY all were and had something in common with blowflies in a bottle.
Let's face it. If you had to exclude all those in the arts of alternative sexual persuasions, there'd be a shortage of novels, music, painting and poetry, few collaborative efforts like plays and operas, no ballet or fully wrought, thoughtful films and bugger-all TV.
Whoever Hemingway was, let's give him credit for writing some good books and stories and presenting a world that the average huntin' and fishin' guy can relate to.
03 July 2011, 06:43
Singleshot03Great photos and interesting reading.
Jim
03 July 2011, 07:00
SteveGlJust to mark the occasion: It was 50 years ago today that EH pulled the trigger for the last time.
May he rest in more peace than he seemed to have at the end.
03 July 2011, 10:00
ozhunterquote:
Originally posted by KPete:
Contrary to many rumors, Ms. Ramme is
not a member of Buzz Charlton's tracking team.[/b]
What a darn shame..
03 July 2011, 18:23
bwanamrmWhat an interesting coincidence to find this thread this morning. I just returned from Key West late last night after a week's vacation in a lovely little cottage in Old Town with the family. Of course, we had to do the "tourist thing" and visit all of Hemingway's old haunts, his home now without the .577 double but still interesting, drinks at Sloppy Joe's which is nothing more than an unabashed tourist trap and breakfast at Pepe's cafe... perhaps the best stop of them all.
So, it was with a bit of surprise I rediscovered this thread and read through it... good stuff Kpete and thanks for posting!
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03 July 2011, 18:45
jetdrvrJust a note on Trax...I have read many of his posts on a variety of subjects. He constantly denigrates anything admirable in others and uses a Hollywood faux bad guy actor with an empty gun as some sort of signature. So I usually ignore anything he says. I have yet to read a positive post authored by Trax on any subject.
quote:
Originally posted by xausa:
The Mannlicher in KPete's posting above is a takedown model, not a "sporterized" version. It has a latch directly in front of the trigger guard and a wedge in the foreend (both visible in the pictures) which distinguish it from other M/S models.
Removing the wedge and opening the latch, after removing the magazine, allow the barrelled action to be removed from the stock. The tang is secured to the stock by a hook type device, similar to that used in the M1 carbine and the Model 100 Winchester. The whole thing could be furnished in a fitted case which is roughly the length of the stock.
This takedown system, pioneered by Charles Newton in his Model 1916 rifle, does not require unscrewing the barrel, as was common with the takedown systems used by Winchester and Savage at the turn of the 20th Century, with the consequent loss of accuracy,
I have a much abused example in caliber 6.5X54 complete with the (equally abused) case resting atop my gun cabinet.
03 July 2011, 20:03
retreeverI love these old photos.
Mike
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04 July 2011, 01:21
BaxterBquote:
Just to mark the occasion: It was 50 years ago today that EH pulled the trigger for the last time.
May he rest in more peace than he seemed to have at the end.
And for me, 12 years ago on the same date my uncle did the same thing. Two major influences on my life in regards to guns/hunting, same day, same way. The 4th of July just ain't the same anymore.
04 July 2011, 06:43
Bwana NderoboAwesome! I toured his house in Key West, and his 577 Westley Richards double is on display at the museum next to the Flying Monkey Saloon. There were nice pics at his house, but the only mount was the Roan in the writing room over the garage. Thanks for sharing!
04 July 2011, 06:46
Bwana NderoboBaxter, I certainly wasnt referring to your loss, I didnt see that until after it posted, and Im sorry to hear of the anniversary.
04 July 2011, 10:42
BaxterBNo worries Phil, didn;t take it as such.
By the way, that 577 was recently sold at auction for something like 350K! I hope it sees the light of day and not just the darkness of a gun safe.
_Baxter
I would like to offer my thanks to all of the positive contributors to this thread. Many have much more knowledge of EH than I. The photos are wonderful. And, thanks to our host for making such intercourse available.
04 July 2011, 13:11
Scriptusquote:
Originally posted by Brice:
I would like to offer my thanks to all of the positive contributors to this thread. Many have much more knowledge of EH than I. The photos are wonderful. And, thanks to our host for making such intercourse available.
The photo of the single cow tusk is especially interesting? ?
04 July 2011, 20:36
Bwana NderoboBaxter, I love big bores as much as the next guy, but the look of that 577 scared me. I hope it weighed 20+ lbs, or the recoil would loosen fillings...
Im with you, I hope it sees the game fields again, it deserves more than a museum.
15 January 2012, 01:13
lorefumaanyone have pics of Hemingway first safari rhino?
D.V.M.
15 January 2012, 02:46
Bockhunter
Hemingway get charged by an rhino.
15 January 2012, 05:12
safari-lawyerquote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
No worries Phil, didn;t take it as such.
By the way, that 577 was recently sold at auction for something like 350K! I hope it sees the light of day and not just the darkness of a gun safe.
_Baxter
Bill Jones, my fellow Alabamian who is known to many here, bought the rifle and plans to take it to Bots (?) and shoot an elephant with it this year. It will be used in a proper manner.
Will J. Parks, III
15 January 2012, 05:22
BaxterBWill,
I am very happy to hear that. I wonder if he'll have the same reaction to the trigger as Hemingway did? ;-)
Look forward to hearing if it's success!
29 January 2012, 21:51
lorefumanice one the charge photo. thanks!
D.V.M.
30 January 2012, 13:28
Mike BaileySafari Lawyer, what great news, I hope you can get a report on it. Hemingway didn´t shoot it well apparently (missed a church bell twice !) best, Mike
18 January 2013, 01:17
KPeteSince I first posted this thread a while back, I've accumulated a few new and interesting photos of Hemingway in Africa. One or two may be duplicates from previous posts, but are in color or better resolution. Inasmuch as there are a number of us who were influenced by Hemingway's two safaris and his seminal book on the subject,
The Green Hills of Africa, I thought these photos might be of interest.
Some rare color images from Hemingway's last safari in 1953-54, here apparently in a competition between a Masai with bow and arrow, and an American writer with a .22 long rifle
Hemingway posing for 'Look' magazines photographer, Earl Thiessen
An autographed copy of the famous photo of Hemingway posing with a fine looking lion during the 1933 safari
Hemingway keeping his weapon erect and ready
Hemingway and Percival sitting by the campfire on Hemingway's last visit to Africa in 1953-54 
The remnants of the Cessna 180 that nearly took to the life of Hemingway and wife Mary near Murchison Falls, Uganda. It was one of two air crashes Hemingway experienced in two days. A few weeks later he would burn his hand in a brush fire prior to leaving Africa for the last time. 
Newspapers around the world reported that Hemingway had died in an air crash in Africa 
An amusing photo of fourth-wife Mary teasing a bare-assed Hemingway while in the hospital recovering from the accident 
A photo from his last safari
Wife Mary would keep her own journal that would eventually shed light on some of the controversies associated with the 1953-54 safari[A footnote regarding
The Green Hills of Africa: It was assailed by many critics upon its release as not being up to the standard of his previous books. Unusual for Hemingway, it was a non-fiction book, though it was described as a 'fictionalized account' of his first African safari in 1933. Featured were his wealthy bride, Pauline Marie Pfeiffer (who's father bankrolled the month-long safari as a wedding gift), and perhaps the most famous of all Professional Hunters, Philip Percival (who is referred to as Pop in the book, a term Percival also used when referring to Hemingway).
Hemingway blamed the critics for the books lack of commercial success, and indeed was so depressed by its reception that he (presciently) remarked that he was "ready to blow my lousy head off". When his ire with the critics subsided, he redirected the book's failure on the two women in is life: Wife Pauline, and his mistress Jane Mason, both of whom he saw as "corrupting" influences due to the very riches that undoubtedly made them more alluring in courtship.
Interestingly, two subsequent 'Africa' efforts by Hemingway - both completely fictional this time -
The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber and
The Snows of Kilimanjaro proved very popular. Rather than feature a strong, typically heroic male character, the protagonists were married to strong-willed and often hectoring wives. In the case of
The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber, many believe the story is based on John Patterson - the hero of the
Ghosts of Tsavo and the movie
The Ghost and the Darkness - who later became the Chief Game Warden for East Africa. While on safari in 1909, a fellow British soldier was 'accidentally' killed, some say by his wife, others say Patterson himself or perhaps suicide. Patterson's reputation would be indelibly tarnished from this affair. Hemingway found it appealing grist for a short novel.]
Kim
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19 January 2013, 12:16
BenKKAwesome! Thanks for sharing these.
20 January 2013, 01:46
AntlersHey Kim, thanks for posting these!
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20 January 2013, 04:59
twoseventyThanks, Kim, for the photos. They are all nostalgic and interesting. Even the Cessna wreck. Like them all.
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20 January 2013, 06:33
postoakSince the subject has come up, I want to say that I always felt that Hemingway was compensating for something with all his "tough guy" stories and characters.
Was Hemingway Gay?20 January 2013, 07:03
Bill73Kim,
Thanks for posting,very interesting read.
DRSS
20 January 2013, 07:19
BaxterBquote:
Since the subject has come up, I want to say that I always felt that Hemingway was compensating for something with all his "tough guy" stories and characters.
Good grief...
20 January 2013, 07:35
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
quote:
Since the subject has come up, I want to say that I always felt that Hemingway was compensating for something with all his "tough guy" stories and characters.
Good grief...
Exactly!!
What are all the folks that are worried about the length of their "horns" compensating for?
20 January 2013, 07:55
BenKK"It is not the critic who counts..."
- Theodore Roosevelt
20 January 2013, 08:51
tendramsI think it is very simplistic to think that Hemingway's hyper-masculinity has to be compensating for repressed sexuality (which it may have been to whatever degree). Given his death and history of mental illness, it is much more likely in my mind that he was escaping to being "a man's man" as a way of forcing his psyche through the heavy duty emotional barriers that his own brain chemistry had set up. I think, as a coping mechanism, he was often subconsciously telling himself, "If you feel depressed or insecure, go do something crazy to feel alive again and as though your life has meaning...go shoot something in Africa, get wasted, blast a machine gun at imaginary german submarines, fight violently with your wife, or write a story or two in a war zone". Sure, one might just happen to really like these things, as some of us do, but when discussing a guy like Hemingway, the question is always, "Why did he not just like them but transform these types of things into such an essential part of his persona that he almost became a caricature of himself". JMHO
20 January 2013, 15:30
Mike BaileyHemingway was one of my favourite authors but as a man I suspect I wouldn´t have liked him but if he was a poof I have a 3 foot dick !!
best, Mike
21 January 2013, 20:04
John ChalmersKim .
Thanks for posting and bringing this very interesting thread back to the top.jc
21 January 2013, 20:59
bwana cecilGood grief is right.
The man is dead & has been for many years.
Like so many other writers that I enjoy reading their stories, their personal lives were not good.
If you like their writngs, read & enjoy them, if not, don't, but please don't speculate or continue B.S. on folks who are no longer around to defend themselves.
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