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No, I'm not referring to anyone. Big Grin 500grains signature picture got me a little curious. How mean are those things by themselves? I know in a group they can tear apart a leopard, but how about one the size in the picture on his posts?

They have awfully big teeth and I'm sure they are freakishly strong, but should a 6'2" 200lb run like a little girl from one if they both round a corner together? And, no, I am not 6'2" or 200lbs. If I see him running, I just wanted to know if I needed to keep up. Eeker


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Don't screw around with baboons. They are just plain mean. Best thing to do is shoot first and ask questions later. He probably did something to deserve getting shot. If not he was thinking about it.


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Posts: 955 | Location: Houston, Texas, USA | Registered: 13 February 2002Reply With Quote
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Try picking up a angry ten pound house cat extrapolate from there
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RANDOM TIPS
FROM THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE

• Don't go anywhere without your rifle.
I was down at the river looking for a crocodile and taking some photos. I wasn't going to shoot one, so I didn't take my rifle. Ended up running across a hippo on the riverbank. The PH had his rifle and covered us as the hippo made it's way back to the water. It was close enough that I felt uncomfortable. From now on I will always take my rifle with me.
• Always carry a flashlight (surfire) when out hunting even if you plan to be back before dark. Had to come back in the dark after sinking our boat (long story) in croc & hippo infested water. There were 3 of us plus 2 trackers and none of us had a flashlight. It's amazing how dark it is in the middle of Tanzania at night. The stars sure were pretty though!
• Keep shooting until the game goes down. Being fixated on one-shot kills will cost you trophy fee(s) some day.
• If you don't like your PH, ask the outfitter to change PHs.
• Assume nothing...I ask questions about any thing and everything...
• When spooring wounded, dangerous game, it is the tracker's job to track. The hunter should not be looking down for sign, but should be looking for the actual animal. It is now the hunters job to protect the trackers.
• (Reiterate) Always carry your rifle.


"He must go -- go -- go away from here!
On the other side the world he's overdue.
'Send your road is clear before you when the old Spring-fret comes o'er you,
And the Red Gods call for you!"
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Baboons are incredibly destructive. A troop will walk through a section of forest eating every egg, nut, snake and insect that they find, as well as killing all fawns, hatchlings, etc that they happen across.

Baboons have been known to attack humans, particularly when one is wounded and begins to scream. Then others in the troop may well charge.
 
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They can be dangerous if cornered or really threatened, but to call them very dangerous is simply an exageration. Yes, I know, we will hear all kinds of old stories about how they ripped X,Y or Z to pieces but in reality, like snakes you have a far greater chance of injury by lightning, cars of simply falling down at home (almost 11 000 people in the US die every year by 'falling in the home').


I have chased many bobo's out of tents, lodges, cottages, vehicles etc and never been attacked. Obviously you use discretion and give them space as they are very powerful, fast and their canines can be longer than a lions.

Also, to call them 'destructive' is not true. It is how they fill their niche (yes to crop farmers but thats out of the range of generalization). Just like old settlers thought Wild Dogs were barbaric and a scourge simply because of the way they hunted. Their hunting method was not in same vain as our 'sporting' ethics...what ever that means. Same sentiment used by Vic Hislop (I think thats his right surname) the Aussie 'shark hunter' idiot par excellence.

Baboons are fascinating animals and yes, don't try grab one's tail or you might have the scars to prove it but also don't necessarily view them as malicious killers and exceptionally dangerous - they aren't, or tourists in all kinds of places that come into contact with them would be laying in post-massacre heaps!
(barring the few that do get a bite/pull/scare here and there when feeding them or trying to photograph their molars...)

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BABOONS

This will be a hard one to write. Baboons are naughty animals by human standards, and many a tourist has been shocked at the manners of these hairy beasts. I personally think the chimpanzee is highly over-rated as to intelligence. Liberal animal huggers most often give the chimp credit for being the smartest ape because he, like his alleged fool evolutionary heir, man, can smoke cigars and ride bicycles. A baboon would flunk if cigars are the deciding factor. Nevertheless, I vote for baboons in the intelligence ratings. I think you may agree after you read this story.

Baboons are known as the most vicious of the apes. This, as with the leopard and the cape buffalo, is not because of some innate lust to wreck mayhem on all sides. Rather; it is because the baboon defends itself so well, and the baboon has the most powerful jaws of all apes, with perhaps the exception of the gorilla.

Baboon troops are highly organized. Chimps will abandon their young and flee from enemies, and this I say is dumb, NOT intelligent. It is also why chimps are going extinct. Of course, the average Western animal hugger has abandoned his young in order to pursue his scholarly interests, so the chimp is his hero.

The average baboon troop is structured very tightly at three levels.

Level One: Two to three huge bucks who lead the troop without any sign of competition.

Level Two: Younger bucks who submit to the three troop leaders and help protect the young.

Level Three: Females and babies.

When danger is sensed, such as an approaching leopard, the three big bucks will raise the alarm. At once, the whole troop submits 100%, and the females grab the babies and young and run to the center of the troop. The younger bucks gather around the females and their young and display attack gestures outward. The two or three big buck leaders move around the perimeter of the troop, back and forth, watching for the leopard. The troop will not panic or run away. Now, a smart leopard, though he may consider baboon a delicacy, will not proceed to attack. But, if the leopard advances, the three big bucks, with several younger bucks following, will charge the leopard, and they will tear the leopard to shreds-- literally. Baboons are much smaller than leopards, but the effect of baboon rage is stupefying to the leopard. Game hunters have reported finding the scene afterward, and all that was left was mouthful sized pieces of leopard in all directions. The baboons tore the leopard to bits using their powerful mouths. Virtually NO other member of the ape family conducts business in this manner.

Baboons will attack humans in the same manner. If a person strolls past baboons, they will ignore him. If a person chases baboons away from his garden, they will flee. But, if you wound a baboon while trying to shoot them, don't run forward to see what you got. The troop will always flee from gunfire. But, the big buck leaders will almost always come back to carry off their wounded or dead. If you are standing over the dead baboon you shot when those big bucks return, you could very well be treated as a leopard. Many a baboon hunter has used this factor and concealed himself nearby so that he will get another shot at the leaders returning for their dead. If a troop is particularly troublesome to farmers, this is highly merciful to the farmers. If the troop leaders are all killed, the troop will break up in confusion, and their attacks on gardens will then be easy to control.

How really smart are baboons? When we lived in the Arussi forests of Ethiopia on Lake Langano, we had to be very self-sufficient in food production. We, and our Arussi workers, had gardens for this purpose. About every two months a new troop of baboons would enter our area. They would hang out in the short trees around the mission compound, and with pure boredom they would munch wild berries in the trees. But, we knew that at some point they would attack. They were casing us out, and they learned when we went here and there, and when our Arussi workers were all having a cup of tea, etc.

One day we would hear a yell from a worker, and we knew that the baboons had descended on the mission station. They tore along pulling up every kind of plant around. How they loved marigold flowers! The garden vegetables were new to them, so they sampled everything. If we did not catch them in time, they would pull up virtually every plant in the garden. At this point, I would get my hunting rifle, and I would fire into the air, or simply run them off the compound. Then I would follow them at a trot. They would usually head for the tall trees. We had forests of wild fig trees which were not like any fig tree you ever saw, for a wild fig tree, standing alone, could individually reach 90 feet high and 150 across. A grove of wild figs was quite different though. They would crowd each other, and this would cause them to bolt and grow as high as 150 feet high, forming a lacy canopy against the sky.

The baboons felt very safe in the tops of these fig tree groves. As I chased them one day to the grove near us, I came upon them as they were jumping into the lowest branches of the trees along the edge of the grove. The three big bucks were standing at the bottom of the tree eyeing me ominously. Also, they were supervising the troop as it entered the trees. As youngsters came along, two big bucks would grab a little one, one at each arm, and the big bucks would fling the little baboon high in the air. With perfect aim they would propel the youngster baboon into the first crotch of the fig tree, and then he could scramble on up. The three big bucks went up last. I was so awed at this performance that I forgot to shoot at the baboons, which would have been an easy shot. Many hunters will confess to missing a huge deer because of some spectacular display of animal instinct or beauty.

The troop climbed high in the canopy of the fig tree grove, which was perhaps half a mile across. On the floor of the grove, almost nothing grew other than one lone variety of bush about 12 feet high. It was like entering a cathedral built by God, and it was rather dark and mysterious. To my surprise, the baboons did not try to flee through the tree tops and get away from me. If I had been a better shot, I could have picked them off one by one from the ground.

I walked on in the dim light thinking I would take a few shots to frighten them. Baboons are very frightened of gun shots and the smell of gun powder. Gray monkeys never fear guns, and will return the day after you shoot at them. Baboon troops will stay away for at least nine months after being shot at. I walked on, weaving in and out of the bushes, and I was amazed at the baboons. They would hang over the high branches and peek at me. It almost seemed like they were expecting something else to happen. And so they were. By the grace of God, I was delivered. Just as I came up to a large bush and was thinking of taking a pot shot at the baboons, I heard a cough on the other side of the bush.

Now, this is the point at which grown men wet their pants. I managed to avoid this, but I was suddenly filled with pure terror. Have you ever experienced this? It has a power to it which is beyond words, and you can almost taste the fear in your mouth. I also knew that I would give off the odor of fear in the state I was in, so I told myself to be cool at all costs. You see, there is only one cough like the one I heard, and it is made by a leopard when it is trying to make up its mind whether it should attack or flee. Give me a grizzly bear, a cougar, or a black mamba snake after me, but you can keep your leopards. I don't need that much trouble to satisfy my need for male machismo.

I was not in nearly as much doubt as to my course of action as the leopard was. I fled. Of course, with leopards it is very essential not to lock eyes with the leopard and to walk off casually if possible. I was pretty casual as I tore through the bushes. The baboons overhead raised a terrible racket and howl. I could almost make out the words "off sides." I had the real sense that the baboons not only had set me up and lead me to the leopard, but they were also genuinely disappointed that the melodrama was cut short.

I have never seen a leopard in the wild while on foot. I am not at all disappointed either. A few months later, another troop of baboons entered our area, and this time I decided I would not wait to see what their intentions were. In the words of that world class war monger, Henry Kissinger, I decided to, "raise the level of hostilities." Taking my rifle, I chased this troop toward the river. I noticed again that they were not trying very hard to get clear of me. I had forgotten the earlier troop's tactics. We don't learn much from history, right?

As the troop got to the river, they entered the trees and crossed the river in the tree tops. They stopped on the other side of the river within shooting range and hung out in the tree tops. They had lead me to the edge of a flood plane of the river which was extremely thick, like jungle. At this point, they had stopped, and they actually began to pick berries and eat them, like they were bored with me. It occurred to me that if I dropped onto the flood plane, I could creep through the forest and possibly surprise them and kill a leading buck. This would insure us that this particular troop would not be back perhaps for years.

Just as I was about to drop into the forest below, I recalled the baboon stunt in the fig tree grove. This time there was no warning cough, but I had the very real feeling that I was being watched by a leopard. I looked at the baboons, and they were not looking right at me-- they were looking at a point right below me! If I had dropped into the trees below, I would have trapped the leopard on the flood plane, with the river to his back and me to his front.

Once again, I casually turned and charged head first through the bushes for home.

Baboons have horrid social manners. There are a good number of them which have learned just how to gross out tourists. In the game parks of Kenya, you may drive through the parks in your car, and the animals are roaming free and living a fairly normal existence. This reverses the zoo factor so that the humans are locked up in cars, and the animals can watch humans. This is a favorite past time of baboons. They will climb up on the hood (bonnet in the UK) of a car, and they will carefully examine the occupants through the windshield. They may tear off the windshield wipers and see how they taste. Before they leave, the males will pee on the windshield glass right into the face of the folks inside. It is as if they know just how to gross out some sweet little lady from Omaha or Birmingham.

One day, my high school class from Rift Valley Academy in Kenya was on its "senior safari." This was the last fling of the senior class, and for many the last fling of life as a missionary's kid in Africa before returning to the USA or UK for college days. We were "on safari" in the Serengeti Game Park, and we were traveling along in a stake bed truck looking at the animals. I was pre-occupied when I noticed all the girls were looking out the left side of the truck, while all the guys were looking out the right side. I looked to see what the girls were avoiding and the guys were enjoying so much. There, in a large acacia tree, was a big troop of baboons.

It seems that baboons have business meetings just like some churches, and it seems they behave in the same manner as many churches in conducting business. These baboons were yelling at each other in a very ugly way. There was no one baboon who was the target-- just all yelling and barking. And, to punctuate their barks and scoldings at each other, all of the adult baboons were pooping in their hand and throwing it at each other. Brown stuff was flying in all directions, and the baboons were getting to look pretty messy. I presume the meeting adjourned when the ammunition could no longer be produced. Now, haven't you been in a church business meeting that was similar to that? Some of you CEOs can also relate to this I dare say.

The enemy of baboons is the leopard, as we said earlier. Leopards look on baboon like Americans look on fried chicken. At night, if a leopard is in the area, you will know it by hearing the baboons barking in the trees. Don't go out to the out house. Use the chamber pot.

In one area of Ethiopia, the local people had managed to kill all of the leopards. Leopards also kill sheep and goats, and will even kill a child for no good reason, and the people thought they had done a good thing in killing the leopards. But, the baboons lost their enemy, and they began to proliferate seriously. They were in an agricultural area which had high mountains to one side and a lake to the other. Baboons don't like to cross mountains, so they could not migrate and were a severe hazard to the farmers.

The local tribal leaders went to the missionary, Bud Isaacs, and asked him if he could help them. By this point, the baboons were far too many to try to shoot them, so Bud resorted to poisoning them. He put minute amounts of a highly toxic poison into potatoes used as bait, and he was able to kill 10,000 baboons. This only brought the situation to be manageable.

Baboons can also be very hard on people's sense of decency. In the 1950s, a member of the Kenya Legislature, a white settler of high moral fiber, asked for a law to be passed to put a high bounty on baboons and eradicate them. It seems that baboon males, when bored by plentiful food supplies and the good life, will chase down female gazelles, and they will mount the gazelles as a form of sport. Well, the good English settler thought this was a clear form of perversion, and he asked the Kenya legislature to wipe out all baboons in East Africa.

Now, without being too impertinent, I suggest that these baboons are not a lot unlike some Presidents we have had in the USA. One in particular, our most recent one, is now addressing the legislative lions of decency and trying to explain his novel conduct with various gazelles who worked for him in Arkansas. Interesting eh? It makes it hard for a Bible believer to fight off the evolutionist claims regarding man's origins. I guess I wouldn't like to say that President Clinton is a baboon-- well-- come to think of it........

One day at Langano in Ethiopia, our workers brought us a baby baboon. He was as cute as anything you ever saw. He lost his fear of us humans very quickly, and we made him a big cage to live in. Problem: The rascal could get out of any cage we put him in. Once out, did he run away? Yes, for about ten minutes. He roamed the tree tops until it occurred to him that his food came from us. At that point, he would descend toward us, fussing and screaming blue murder. At first, we wondered if he would bite us as we grabbed him, but he never did. Back into the cage he went. He would eat almost anything we gave him, and we gave him a bath from time to time in the lake. He was a very nice pet-- until one day a single lady guest missionary visited.

Our little friend had never displayed any of the known perverse baboon social manners with us or our Arussi workers or their children. Surprise, surprise! When the young baboon, now entering adolescence, spied the single lady missionary, he made a bee line for her, grabbed her leg in a full embrace, and what followed was far and away beyond embarrassing folks. We had always marveled at the fact that our baboon was such a model citizen, yet other missionaries never had baboons for pets. We had learned why-- the hard way. The next day we had to take our little friend far away and return him to his baboon culture, where hopefully, he has developed some better social habits.

So, you can see why baboons are held in very high esteem for their intelligence, while most folks who have lived in their territory also have reservations about hugging baboons to closely. Chimps, after all, do have much better social graces than baboons.

http://www.blessedquietness.com/yarn/baboons.htm


 
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Fascinating story. Thanks for posting it!


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and they're alot of fun to terrorize. when we could take fireworks on the airplane we'd take some rockets and wait at the waterholes for the troops to come drink. Right in the middle of their water break we'd shoot a couple of rockets in the middle of the troop & laugh like hell when they screamed and scattered. Another way is to take a slingshot along. We'd shoot marula nuts at them. If you'd hit one he'd get mad and start beating on the guy next to him, while the 3rd one would eat the nut.
 
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