Anyone yet seen the new Remongton 798 MAuser model? Looks like they will offer it in 375 and 458 win as well as some smaller calibers. Both big bores wth 26 inch barrels. COuld be an excellent option for Africa. _Baxter

Is it CRF?

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Originally posted by bulldog563:
Is it CRF?

It is the Zastava mauser action, so yes (not that I have seen one). I do not believe it comes with sights, from what I have read on some of the other boards here, but then you could check with Remington as I am just repeating idle gossip.

No sights on a DGR. If true that is pretty stupid. But I guess afterall it is a Remington!

Aren't these the same "mauser" actions previously made for Charles Daly by Zastava in Serbia?

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Originally posted by TheBigGuy:
Aren't these the same "mauser" actions previously made for Charles Daly by Zastava in Serbia?

Yes, although I would have said Yugoslavia, but I cannot keep up.

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Originally posted by bulldog563:
No sights on a DGR. If true that is pretty stupid. But I guess afterall it is a Remington!

Again, I am just repeating gossip. Here is the only link I have:

Remington/Zastava Mauser

It does say:

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Barrels are clean, and receivers are drilled and tapped for standard Mauser 98 (long- and short-action) scope mounts.

Don't know if that will change on the larger bores.

The Safari models .375 amd .458 WILL come with open sights and was told that they should be available around May. They do say REMINGTON on them!

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Originally posted by loboga:
The Safari models .375 amd .458 WILL come with open sights and was told that they should be available around May. They do say REMINGTON on them!

Thanks for the information -- do they have pictures of these models on their web site?

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Originally posted by loboga:
The Safari models .375 amd .458 WILL come with open sights and was told that they should be available around May. They do say REMINGTON on them!

They still look like a remington too!

I looked one Zastava/Reminigton over at the SHOT Show, they very definitely are the same action formely made famous as the Mark X.

jim

If this is true, the Remington version of the Zastava has a lot of real advantages over the Daly version. The laminated stock is head and shoulders better than the French cathouse-style Monte Carlo stock Daly was pushing, and usable sights would actually make the big bore an excellent safari rifle.

I contacted Daly when they first announced the rifle and suggested sights for the big bores. Their response was to tell me that a gunsmith can add sights easily ("easily" is a relative term -- relative to the amount of money one is willing to spend).

I have the Interarms version in .375 and I like it better than my FN in the same caliber.

Maybe they are trying to fill the void that will be left after Winchester stops the M70.

I htought for a quick hot second it as a USA made gun... guess there's fewer and fewer of those these days... Look slike the 375 will retail a little more than CDL 650 or so... Is it worth a crap?? I have seen a few daly mausers but dont know anyone with real first hand experince. I think i'll stick with my M70;s though..._BB

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
I htought for a quick hot second it as a USA made gun... guess there's fewer and fewer of those these days... Look slike the 375 will retail a little more than CDL 650 or so... Is it worth a crap?? I have seen a few daly mausers but dont know anyone with real first hand experince. I think i'll stick with my M70;s though..._BB

The action is a Zestava action, and is a duplicate of the FN Mauser actions. The equipment they are made on was bought from FN!
I wonder if they are going to sell barreled actions, if so that is the way I would buy them, because the stock is still the dumb Rem 700 stock. If not then the cost of the rifle will need to be low so one can restock at a reasonable price. Other wise, folks will simply buy other brands.

I have two rifles that are built on the Zestava action,and an origenal FN actioned rifle, all chambered for 375 H&H. They are good actions, and if the barrels Remington uses are quality as well, they will make a good starting point for makeing a real safari rifle.

I hope Remington doesn't drop the ball AGAIN, by not offering the rifle with Iron sights, especially on the large chamberings. All Zestava actions are drilled and tapped for FN scope mounts, and Warne makes very good QD rings, and mounts that absolutely return to zero every time. Still, I have an idea The big green will install the pot metel 700 sights if anything, and if so those will need replaceing as well. If the price holds at around $500, then this would be a good starting point, if it is much higher than that, I'd simply look for a used Whitworth African Express!

It's about time Remington started useing a CRF actions, again, on their big game rifles!

I think the price is a shade under 900 for the 375 and 458. Way too much IMO. I would much rather get a Whitworth 375 then this overpriced Remington.

Think I saw mid $800s and I will not trade my
Whitworth much less my RSM in on one.

You are right. Retail is listed as 839. Still way too much in my opinion.

remember that 839 is msrp, no where near true retail...

Yes, MSRP and what you pay should be way different. What puzzles me is the weight listing on the .375 and .458 at 7 lbs. That would be rough! I've got a .338 RemUltra at that weight and it's a real handful - worse than my RSM .458 Lott IMO!

Damn, that can't be right. A 7lb 458 would be completely unmanagable for the average shooter.

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Originally posted by bulldog563:
Damn, that can't be right. A 7lb 458 would be completely unmanagable for the average shooter.

It might make those 45-70 guys shut up.

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Originally posted by Texas Hunter:
Yes, MSRP and what you pay should be way different. What puzzles me is the weight listing on the .375 and .458 at 7 lbs. That would be rough! I've got a .338 RemUltra at that weight and it's a real handful - worse than my RSM .458 Lott IMO!

Remington has posted so much bullshit about these rifles that one needs to assume all details are suspect.

There is no way that these guns are 7 pounds....

About 12? years ago did not Sako make a Light
Weight Hunter? Believe I saw one in 416 at 6.75
lbs. I Like my RSM 458 Lott as with scope weighs
ipn at 11+. Could be a little lighter but 4 lbs.
WOW. Must be

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GAHUNTER:
If this is true, the Remington version of the Zastava has a lot of real advantages over the Daly version. The laminated stock is head and shoulders better than the French cathouse-style Monte Carlo stock Daly was pushing, and usable sights would actually make the big bore an excellent safari rifle. [QUOTE]

This is the same gun as the Daly with a different stock and a higher price.

The Rem stock isn't great but it is an improvement over the catalog Daly model...that one was glossy 70s item. And 26" was and is too long for a DG rifle (except maybe a 375). The triggers on the Daly needed a little work, and there's no reason to believe the Rems will be any different.

The Rem gun doesn't have express sights in the picture on their website.

However, a little-known fact: Daly made some 24" rifles with oil-finished walnut (if somewhat plain walnut) stocks that were MUCH better than the cataloged guns; and IMHO they are better than the Rem version (and certainly cheaper).

You could (and still can if you look around) buy the barreled Daly action very reasonably, lop off a couple of inches of bbl, add sights, and stock the gun to your taste.

Or you can buy a CZ. That's not perfect either.

Zastava lists the gun at 8 lbs.

I've heard that the barrels on the Whitworths are not very good.

I saw one of the 798's at a gun show this past weekend, I believe it was in .223. I wasn't at all inmpresssed with the fit and finish, reminded me of the Czech .22s that went around a few years ago, I thought it looked pretty cheesy. I prefer walnut over laminated or synthetic, but that just a personal thing.

DGK

I hope the 458s and 375s are alot smoother than the 7.62x39 I handled.It was rough as all get out.It felt like the bolt didnt work right at all.I was not impressed with it one bit.It was one of the worse actions on a bolt gun I have ever felt.

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Originally posted by invader66:
About 12? years ago did not Sako make a Light
Weight Hunter? Believe I saw one in 416 at 6.75
lbs. I Like my RSM 458 Lott as with scope weighs
ipn at 11+. Could be a little lighter but 4 lbs.
WOW. Must be

Savage made a Safari mdl in 458WM @ <7#
I also own a Zastav in 458WM that was sold under the Daly name, without the whoreish looking stock. It came with an oil finish and no "Monte Carlo" look along with hand cut checkering. It is the Safari Deluxe mdl weighs 8.5# without a scope or 4 rounds loaded. Shoots 1"@ 100 450gr/72.0 gr H4895 all afternoon...I paid $515 NIB. Today the Remington will clone will cost you over $700.

Guys,

You guys kind of sound like your grumbling about a major US firearms manufacturer coming out with an FN Mauser clone. How could that be?With the CRF M70 disappearing how can this be a bad thing? Of course it is not perfect and will take a litte tweaking but what factory rifle doesn't? I personally was very unimpressed with the new Pre'64 when it came out. I'm very happy to have the 798 available as another inexpensive CRF option and an alternative to the CZ which can be a real junker without a lot of tweaking.

Mark

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Guys,

You guys kind of sound like your grumbling about a major US firearms manufacturer coming out with an FN Mauser clone. How could that be?With the CRF M70 disappearing how can this be a bad thing? Of course it is not perfect and will take a litte tweaking but what factory rifle doesn't? I personally was very unimpressed with the new Pre'64 when it came out. I'm very happy to have the 798 available as another inexpensive CRF option and an alternative to the CZ which can be a real junker without a lot of tweaking.

Mark

Remington is not "coming out with" anything. They just bought out out took over or replaced Daly as the importer of the Zastava. So far so good. But the price went up and I have not seen reports to indicate that the quality has gone up with the price.

I have a .375 and a .458 on the same action (Mark X) and like them, but I have spent plenty of my money and some of my time on them as well to get them to that point.