I very occasionally post last minute offers on various web sites including AR, AH, 24hour etc. AH will not let me post in the guide section only in the AfAFRICANAGENTS.com section! I am not an agent in this case I am an owner and it is well known in the hunting industry!! It seems that being an American owner also is not allowed so thankfully Saeed is not as prejudicial as this other site seems to be. Maybe AMERICANS should stop reading and using this site as we are obviously not good enough to be owners of property any where but here?? .SEAN

Safari Sean

Africa Hunting has a few rules that need to be followed in order to post any hunting opportunities that are being offered. The AH site has posting from all over the world, including North America. Many USA based guides have posted hunts that are currently being offered. Evidently they have not had the issues you are having.

I am sure you have read the AH rules and that you have complied with them. Or by your rant you do not wish to comply and just rant.

To post on AR about the AH web sight is troubling to say the least.

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Originally posted by SafariSean:
I very occasionally post last minute offers on various web sites including AR, AH, 24hour etc. AH will not let me post in the guide section only in the AfAFRICANAGENTS.com section! I am not an agent in this case I am an owner and it is well known in the hunting industry!! It seems that being an American owner also is not allowed so thankfully Saeed is not as prejudicial as this other site seems to be. Maybe AMERICANS should stop reading and using this site as we are obviously not good enough to be owners of property any where but here?? .SEAN

sure would not last if posted there!? Not a rant simply what I was told. It seems to be much along the lines of the American line entering Zim or the higher rates we are charged at many lodges and camps in Africa. What would a citizen of any African country say to them at the Waffle House, Hilton, Disney World, etc. if they were charged a higher rate because on nationality??

Sean now i will have to go to AH to check what and if you will be charged for posting a hunt.

And exactly what is being asked of you while making a posting. (being a viewer, i am not sure what is being exactly asked to post a hunt)

so this is what i have found:

I have not found where a poster is charged any amount for posting any hunts. All pertinent information is required, including outfitter name and where the hunt will take place if different than your company name as well as the area(s) where the hunt will be conducted. All costs MUST be stated, detailing what is included and not included, plus the discounted prices. Just including a link to a website and posting that further details are available there is NOT acceptable. Any contact information including website, email, telephone number, fax number, p.o. box and physical address should NOT be part of the post. As non ADVERTISERS/SPONSORS of AfricaHunting.com hunting outfitters, professional hunters and hunting guides may NOT include links in their signature. Include your name and company/outfitter name. From now on it will be required to state the outfitter name where the hunt will take place if different than your company name as well as the area(s) where the hunt will be conducted.

So what is the issue

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Originally posted by SafariSean:
I very occasionally post last minute offers on various web sites including AR, AH, 24hour etc. AH will not let me post in the guide section only in the AfAFRICANAGENTS.com section! I am not an agent in this case I am an owner and it is well known in the hunting industry!! It seems that being an American owner also is not allowed so thankfully Saeed is not as prejudicial as this other site seems to be. Maybe AMERICANS should stop reading and using this site as we are obviously not good enough to be owners of property any where but here?? .SEAN

Grow up.

I always learn something on AR. Today it was about the owner of The Safari Connection, booking agency. Thanks for the heads up.

I do delete some offers, because they do not follow our very simple rules to post.

I am not sure what their conditions are, but I suggest anyone wishing post offers should read them.

I 100% followed the rules of the posting with the exception being that I am an American so I cannot advertise there only in the AGENTS section. I have way to many friends in Africa to go on a "rant" about their feelings concerning a Americans but as a property owner in several different counties around the globe I can assure all of the readers from America that if you intend to follow suit be prepared the playing field will be grossly tilted toward fleecing you for all they can get!! reply from AH below!! AS to Navaluk's apparent comment about my character you could only wish to have friends and business representation of my caliber and as a gentleman I would never comment on your character even if it is low, I posted this here because I have been unfairly treated and I don't like it!! I have 16 shows booked for next year and I can make my opinion felt thru other means than AR. I started this business to protect Americans from the common practice of add on and over charging in the Safari industry and will continue to not only purchase lands in Africa but to further expand what is growing into one of Africa's finest and largest operations.



SafariSean, AfricaHunting.com started a new personal conversation with you at AfricaHunting.com.
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Your last post was deleted. Please know that you may not promote yourself on AfricaHunting.com. HuntingAgent.com is the exclusive hunting agent and consultant for AfricaHunting.com. No other hunting consultant and agent may have commercial and promotional posting privileges. Rules of posting in this section at: http://www.africahunting.com/t...-before-posting.802/.
Regards,

Africa Hunting is decidely NOT anti-American. There are many members from the US and they are treated with respect.

It IS a very commercialized site with plenty of paid advertising and even members can pay to become benefactors or supporters.

The exclusive booking agent for the site is James Jeffrey with http://huntingagent.com/ and he is located in Houston. I assume he is an American.

I understand the need for advertising and other sites have paid memberships or ask for donations. I do not care for the exclusive booking agent, but it is Jerome's site.

AR is one of the few if not only sites that are free and have no advertising.

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Originally posted by Navaluk:
I always learn something on AR. Today it was about the owner of The Safari Connection, booking agency. Thanks for the heads up.

A huge plus one on that post.

I think you need to read the rules at their site a bit more closely. Jerome Philippe founded the website and is also the owner of the only booking agency allowed on their site. I would suggest your post crossed the line on what he will allow on a discussion forum that was motivated in part by his business of being an agent himself.

Would you expect Remington to let Winchester advertise their rifles on the Remington website???

Your whining that he is anti-American instead of understanding 'his site/his rules' does little to position you or your services in a positive light.

Finally, it is africahunting.com, not africanhunting.com. I find your attention to detail.....disturbing.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Duckear:
I think you need to read the rules at their site a bit more closely. Jerome Philippe founded the website and is also the owner of the only booking agency allowed on their site. I would suggest your post crossed the line on what he will allow on a discussion forum that was motivated in part by his business of being an agent himself.

Would you expect Remington to let Winchester advertise their rifles on the Remington website???

Your whining that he is anti-American instead of understanding 'his site/his rules' does little to position you or your services in a positive light.

Finally, it is africahunting.com, not africanhunting.com. I find your attention to detail.....disturbing.

Actually "Africanhunting.com" Is a African based magazine. They allow advertising, just follow their rules and pay for your add

It seems the restrictions/rules should be read and look at the advertisements that are displayed, there are many from farms all across Africa but my farm is to be excluded. Please bash me, call me a whiner, criticize my intelligence and attention to detail all you want but the bottom line is if was sitting in the RSA or Namibia the post would be allowed. Also if you research the site my post were allowed until this year and can still be seen on the forum. Bwana338 concerning my integrity and how it "positions my services" let this be my last comment on this matter why do all of you arm chair quarterbacks go straight to attacking a mans character do you know me ?? NO!! I have the manners to never judge a man until met and the grace to not comment on that person even if they are deficient in character. Maybe there are lessons to be learned here by more than I!!

I am puzzled. Why should we care about what is happening on another web site?

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Originally posted by SafariSean:
It seems the restrictions/rules should be read and look at the advertisements that are displayed, there are many from farms all across Africa but my farm is to be excluded. Please bash me, call me a whiner, criticize my intelligence and attention to detail all you want but the bottom line is if was sitting in the RSA or Namibia the post would be allowed. Also if you research the site my post were allowed until this year and can still be seen on the forum. Bwana338 concerning my integrity and how it "positions my services" let this be my last comment on this matter why do all of you arm chair quarterbacks go straight to attacking a mans character do you know me ?? NO!! I have the manners to never judge a man until met and the grace to not comment on that person even if they are deficient in character. Maybe there are lessons to be learned here by more than I!!

While I might agree with some of your comments, you did open yourself up to this by starting this thread. If you don't want to be challenged on AR, don't post. It is that simple. This group has never been one to not challenge something they don't agree with. I would not expect them to start now.

Welcome to the jungle
Anything you say will be used against you and most of us love it
Best web site there is AR that is
Thanks to Saeed and every member on here

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Originally posted by SafariSean:
Bwana338 concerning my integrity

Hi Sean

I have not questioned your integrity. I was asking you, that if the rules are being used and followed by others, why are you having issues, are you following the forum rules.

Have you worked with The AH management to see why you were having issues and if they could be resolved? That is, did you send a PM or e mail asking for assistance or clarification?

James Jeffery is American, I have met him personally. My understanding is NO other booking agents, American or otherwise, may advertise the hunts they book for on AH. James is the sole booking agent allowed to advertise there. Outfitters are not considered booking agents and may still advertise their hunts.

I don't know for sure, but I'd presume there is a business arrangement between Jerome and James. Whether that is right or wrong, good or bad, I don't believe that you or any other American is being singled out Sean.

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Originally posted by SafariSean:
I very occasionally post last minute offers ………
I am not an agent in this case I am an owner and it is well known in the hunting industry!! ……
…….SEAN

For clarification sake.

Sean, as you note "in this case" you are at certain times an agent.
I am wondering how you distinguish between operating as an agent and an owner/outfitter?
How is that distinction apparent to anyone seeing your offers?



"…….. HuntingAgent.com is the exclusive hunting agent and consultant for AfricaHunting.com. No other hunting consultant and agent may have commercial and promotional posting privileges. …… "

As noted in the reply you received, it seems clear that their is an exclusivity arrangement in place.
As has been noted above, the agent is a US Citizen and it is a US Company!

For me personally………… this entire thread falls into the who gives a shit category. It is marketing on the internet. If you are not paying a fee, shut up.

I call the. Who give a shit. And raise you a Cry me a river.

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Originally posted by SafariSean:Bwana338 concerning my integrity and how it "positions my services" let this be my last comment on this matter why do all of you arm chair quarterbacks go straight to attacking a mans character do you know me ?? NO!! I have the manners to never judge a man until met and the grace to not comment on that person even if they are deficient in character. Maybe there are lessons to be learned here by more than I!!

The above quote is a quite interesting statement. Bwana338 did not make the post with ""positions my services", he merely quoted it. I did not really see anybody attack your character in this thread. Yet, you attack Jerome, owner of another website and your competitor in the African hunting market by saying his site is anti-American and stating we as Americans should not use his site. You may want to read the last two sentences of your post.

Another point. It appears you are attempting to use the internet to market hunts. Like it or not you are judged by what you post and your behavior on the site. From a consumer's point of view I would not book a hunt with you at this time. You have insulted several members for no reason, your attention to detail is poor, and you lack understanding of basic rules. You also disparaged a competitor by calling him anti American and tried to lead a charge to not use his site. To great degree, agents and outfitters hold their selves to a higher standard and less controversial status than the non-business members. It just makes good business sense. This paragraph is only meant to be constructive. I wish you the best and hope your season is successful.

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Originally posted by SafariSean:

Bwana338 concerning my integrity and how it "positions my services" let this be my last comment on this matter why do all of you arm chair quarterbacks go straight to attacking a mans character do you know me ?? NO!! I have the manners to never judge a man until met and the grace to not comment on that person even if they are deficient in character. Maybe there are lessons to be learned here by more than I!!

SafariSean, I must admit the AH website is a little too commercial for my taste, but it is a good site, and I have had nothing but positive feed-back from that web-site. There I am DUGABOY1, and post mostly on the double rifle and big bore forums and rarely see even a disagreement on AH! Understand there is nothing wrong about having disagreements, that is what makes a forum, if everyone always agreed there would be no reason to even comment on a past, and all would be statements not discussions.

IMO, coming on AR to start a campaign to discredit Africa Hunting seems a little childish and self serving. Considering the web-site belongs to Jerome and he reserves his right to make a business decision for his booking agency to be the exclusive on his own web-site. Additionally all anyone else has to do to post a hunt is simply follow his rules printed below.

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Originally posted by Bwana338:

I have not found where a poster is charged any amount for posting any hunts. All pertinent information is required, including outfitter name and where the hunt will take place if different than your company name as well as the area(s) where the hunt will be conducted. All costs MUST be stated, detailing what is included and not included, plus the discounted prices. Just including a link to a website and posting that further details are available there is NOT acceptable. Any contact information including website, email, telephone number, fax number, p.o. box and physical address should NOT be part of the post. As non ADVERTISERS/SPONSORS of AfricaHunting.com hunting outfitters, professional hunters and hunting guides may NOT include links in their signature. Include your name and company/outfitter name. From now on it will be required to state the outfitter name where the hunt will take place if different than your company name as well as the area(s) where the hunt will be conducted.

So what is the issue

That is my question as well! So what is the issue? Follow his rules and post your hunts, or cease and desist!
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Originally posted by Saeed:
I do delete some offers, because they do not follow our very simple rules to post.

I am not sure what their conditions are, but I suggest anyone wishing post offers should read them.

You are right on the money Saeed. Read the rules on any forum, they are all straight forward.

Citizenship is certainly not part of any criteria on AH nor here from anything I have ever noted.

Americans, even the American owner of AH are quite welcome to place offers on AH.

At this point in time there is an exclusive agent agreement on AH.

Not anti-American. Just anti-competition.