Clients inform PH's that they are dung

03 January 2014, 03:52

505 gibbs

I have been watching the on goings unfold on the Stu Taylor threads and just thought I would post the above observation. I speak for no one but myself when I say that there is no amount of money I would accept to let some of the below "hunters" get anywhere near me with a firearm. I am shocked to say the least at the way I have seen some of you respond to this situation from the beginning. Many of you have shown a complete disdain for anyone left damaged in the wake of one of your or someone elses "vacation". It would appear that it is completely lost on you that these service providers are humans with lives and dependants seperate from your fantasy. The statements that are made recklessly with no attention to veracity are slander and libel, not to mention the lack of attention to how asinine you sound. So, with that said, lets look at some of the horrible statements made by some:

quote:
originally posted by Saeed:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Stu Taylor, as well as other PHs who have met with an unfortunate accident, deserve all the help we can give them.

People have stepped up and donated quite a bit of money to Stu, and he deserves every penny of it.

The money was collected to help Stu with his medical bills, and any other personal use he might have.

However, we have confirmed reports that part of this money is being used in suing Tim and his insurance company.

This was confirmed by a well known member talking to Stu himself.

Personally, I feel very uncomfortable about this direction, as it never crossed my mind that this is going to happen.

Helping a fellow hunter is one thing, but financing a court action against another hunter is another matter.

Therefore, I have decide not to allow any further collection on behalf of Stu Taylor.

I have no regret that we have collected money for Stu, and every individual member here, who have helped in this collection, and I have had contact with, feels exactly the same.

If Stu feels he wishes to take legal action against Tim, that is of course his prerogative.

But getting this financed through AR is not acceptable to me.

Assuming that the "Thank You" from Stu post is legitimate, Stu said this....

quote:
Whilst I need to protect my future, I am doing so with the assistance of counsel(on a contingency basis)......I would like to assure all the donors who have contributed so generously that their donations have never been used to pay a lawyer.

Larry Shores and Todd Williams agreed with Saeed and you know, not having any knowledge of the facts would not stop some of the local jerk offs from chiming in...

quote:
originally posted by bwanamrm
definitely not cool in my book. I donated money to help with living expenses and health care not fund a lawsuit. Disappointing to say the least.

quote:
originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg
Not cool. I donated monies that could have gone to Special Olympics, a charity near and dear to my own life.

quote:
originally posted by pagosawingnut
I'm in the same boat. I could have used the funds I donated for something other than to fund a lawsuit. Not that a lawsuit wasn't expected but I didn't donate that money for that cause.

quote:
originally posted by Beretta682E
Living proof.
"No good deed goes unpunished"

+1

And Larry Shores couldn't let Mikes statement above go without confirmation

quote:
Mike:

Those exact words crossed my mind.

Fallowbuck chimed in after Saeed informed us all of Stu's evil doings...

quote:
That s such a shame.

I had mentioned to Roland about donating a hunt to the uk to raise money for stu. I'm now glad I got caught up with and didn't get the details finalised.

I wholeheartedly agree with saeeds position on this.

Good thing Stu didn't get any help from you "K"
Then good ol'Scottyboy took the opportunity to take it to a whole new level...

quote:
originally posted by Scottyboy
Talk about reprehensible.

Stu was shot again.. this time in the foot by himself. What a dickhead move.

Glad I did not fund his lawsuit to sue my friend.

I commend you guys for stepping up to help someone out, but this just goes to show you that even "good" guys have a lapse in judgement and do some incredibly stupid things.

Then, I couldn't believe that Roland, the guy who had the heart to put this deal together made quite possibly the most assinine statement imaginable...

quote:
originally posted by latebloomer
Too bad for Stu it had to end like this...the very hands that fed him!

Then, Larry Shores, another great contributor to this effort had to reenforce Rolands statement with...

quote:
I am more than a little bothered by the entire matter. I have put up a lot of money personally and obviously helped raise more.

I started to become worried a few weeks ago. I arranged to have some world class specialist surgeons look at Stu's medical records at no cost to him. Stu became strangely silent. I could not figure that one out. I was bothered, bothered a lot.

Tim has helped Stu and helped a lot. Tim is also fighting with his insurance company to pay benefits to Stu.

I got wind of the Conservation Force issues and the lawsuit a few days ago. I was shocked, disappointed and embarrassed. I couldn't believe it.

A hell of a lot of money has gone to Stu from AR members. Counting everything , it has to be well over $100,000 . He has bitten the hand that fed him in my book.As some of you know, there are 3 of us who have formed the African Professional Hunter Relief Fund to help those in need. One of our founders had some ideas on how to disburse money. Honestly, I thought it was overkill. I now know he was 100% correct.

Regardless, many on AR have stepped up and shown what kind of people there are. I sincerely appreciate the contributions of all of those involved.

Happy holidays to all of you.

UEG seemed to be equally as upset by the not facts...

quote:
originally posted by Use Enough Gun
Having been a lawyer for over 31 years, I think I now may have heard it all. NEVER have I heard of money being raised in good faith for the physical recovery and personal needs of an individual being used to clandestinely fuel litigation against the very man trying to assist in the injured's recovery. And, to those who have said here on AR that an individual can use that money however he wishes once he gets it, is pure unadulterated bullshit when taken in the context of why it was being raised. The money raised for Stu Taylor was being raised to assist him in his physical recovery and personal needs-not in any way, shape or form, to fuel litigation against Tim Herald. I do hope that Jumbo Moore is not tied into any of this. I know Jumbo and have had a deep respect for him for many years.

Well done gentlemen, you have preserved a place for yourselved in infamy, that is your goal, no?

03 January 2014, 04:33

npd345

Stu's side of it, as shown in a post by him, follows below my comments.

How is it our place to question what he does with the money we donated to him?

Did we place restrictions on it? No we did not.

It is his to do with as he pleases.

Even if he had used it for the lawsuit, which I do not believes he has, it is none of mine or your business!

Thanks Gibbs for posting this summary.

posted Jan 2, 8:49 AM

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the donors and Conservation Force(especially Chrissie) who have assisted me up to now. Even though the accident happened over a year ago, my rehabilitation has been slow, and is on going through physiotherapy and gym. Without your support I would not have been able to come this far and to remain determined. There seems to be some concern as to how the funds so kindly donated, have been allocated and I am saddened by the notion that I would in any way take advantage of the kindness I have received. Those who know me will attest to my openness and transparency. I would never abuse the help I have been given and will remain forever grateful. Whilst I need to protect my future, I am doing so with the assistance of counsel(on a contingency basis) who has been engaging Tim Herald and his insurers. This process began when Tim Herald's insurers requested an interview with me whilst I was in hospital in Johanesburg, South Africa. For this interview I was advised to have a lawyer present. I would like to assure all the donors who have contributed so generously that their donations have never been used to pay a lawyer. The funds have been used solely for my rehabilitation and living expenses for myself, my trackers and families.
Once again I would like to portray my sincere thanks.
Best regards,
Stu Taylor
P.S. I am not a member of AR, I have used my Father's account to post this message

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03 January 2014, 04:50

sheephunterab

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised or disappointed that insurances companies and lawyers are involved. Seems like pretty standard operating procedure to me. No different than if Tim hit someone with his car. Well other than maybe there would have been less drama on here.......

03 January 2014, 05:08

Trax

quote:
Originally posted by sheephunterab:
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised or disappointed that insurances companies and lawyers are involved. Seems like pretty standard operating procedure to me. No different than if Tim hit someone with his car. Well other than maybe there would have been less drama on here.......

If an ordinary no name rec. hunter had shot Stu taylor, there would little or no objection to Stu engaging lawyers.
Yet when you have celeb hunters like Herald or a Boddington recklessly shooting the Safari staff,
their blinded by the light fans pop-up to make sad excuses for their idols no matter what.

03 January 2014, 05:16

Dutch44

It is in the regular course of business that an insurance company will reach out to an individual to resolve issues regarding injuries or the possibility that an injury has occurred. They have a duty to do so once they are notified of an injury. If they failed to do so then Tim would have a cause of action for breach of contract and vexatious refusal to pay.

Tim's insurance company requested that Stu have an attorney present to assist in negotiations. This is so that a reasonable disposition can be obtained as expeditiously as possible and to avoid costly litigation. As Stu stated in his narrative his attorney is on contingency, no fee until a settlement is reached. Therefore, no donated funds are being used to pay for an attorney.

Furthermore, there is a notice requirement in every insurance policy that requires that notice be given to the insurance company within a specified time or the insurance company waives coverage and is indemnified from breach and vexatious refusal. Therefore, it is likely that Tim contacted his insurance company to inform them that there had been an accident. Of course this is speculation on my part but is based on experience working with these types of claims.

Stu is not to be faulted here as he is only complying with the insurance company's request.
I think we would all agree that, according to Stu's reporting, the funds were not utilized in hiring an attorney. I am happy that the insurance company is there to enter into discussions in an obvious attempt to reconcile this matter and hopefully assist in the medical coverage that Stu needs and deserves. I wish Stu the best in recovery and good health.

Dutch

03 January 2014, 05:25

Steve Ahrenberg

Nice Post Brad. Classy as hell.

I based my comments on the basis of CF pulling the donation site. If you are more up to speed on what's going on, perhaps you should educate the forum.

You conveniently left off some other parts of my comments and I'm sure others as well. Like the part about me deciding to donate more monies to other charities than I have in the past. Philanthropy is a noble trait. Trying to pick winners and losers on this Stu/Tim thing is not a noble cause.

Even knowing what I know today, I would not donate one single penny to this cause. It is too convoluted and complex to follow. I am one thousand percent positive we still don't, nor ever will, have all the facts.

I personally donated, what I would consider to be a large amount to Stu. I don't regret it, just would never repeat this.

If you look at my comment, you might see a noble cause is mentioned, Special Olympics.

Check out this site

www.2014ridetoprovide.kintera.org

This is MY PERSONAL donation site for Special Olympics. It is for a bike race I am competing in, in June, the longest most complex bicycle race in the world. What are you doing for charity Brad?

I have only raised 2,900.00 dollars and I personally donated something close to double that to Stu in this endeavor. (about a third of my 2,900.00 total came from one very generous man)

Just because, I choose to not participate in this cluster fuck any longer doesn't make me a forum "Jerk Off" anymore than your snide thread makes you one. (or any less)

Maybe you should ask questions, and get the entire picture before you just "Go Off" on a basically kind group of people, who do not have all the facts. And yes, perhaps we (me) should have waited to pass judgment until we had all, or more of the facts. Perhaps you should as well.

And to those who say it shouldn't matter where the monies donated go or how they are spent. I call BS. If I raise 50K for my race, Is it OK to go to Tanzania with it? I couldn't anyway, this site is run by Kintera fund raising, it goes direct to Special Olympics, Just trying to make an analogy that makes sense.

Regards,

Steve Ahrenberg

03 January 2014, 05:54

boarkiller

I have read last page of this book.
Good luck to all involved

03 January 2014, 06:00

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Nice Post Brad. Classy as hell.

I based my comments on the basis of CF pulling the donation site. If you are more up to speed on what's going on, perhaps you should educate the forum.

You conveniently left off some other parts of my comments and I'm sure others as well. Like the part about me deciding to donate more monies to other charities than I have in the past. Philanthropy is a noble trait. Trying to pick winners and losers on this Stu/Tim thing is not a noble cause.

Even knowing what I know today, I would not donate one single penny to this cause. It is too convoluted and complex to follow. I am one thousand percent positive we still don't, nor ever will, have all the facts.

I personally donated, what I would consider to be a large amount to Stu. I don't regret it, just would never repeat this.

If you look at my comment, you might see a noble cause is mentioned, Special Olympics.

Check out this site

www.2014ridetoprovide.kintera.org

This is MY PERSONAL donation site for Special Olympics. It is for a bike race I am competing in, in June, the longest most complex bicycle race in the world. What are you doing for charity Brad?

I have only raised 2,900.00 dollars and I personally donated something close to double that to Stu in this endeavor. (about a third of my 2,900.00 total came from one very generous man)

Just because, I choose to not participate in this cluster fuck any longer doesn't make me a forum "Jerk Off" anymore than your snide thread makes you one. (or any less)

Maybe you should ask questions, and get the entire picture before you just "Go Off" on a basically kind group of people, who do not have all the facts. And yes, perhaps we (me) should have waited to pass judgment until we had all, or more of the facts. Perhaps you should as well.

And to those who say it shouldn't matter where the monies donated go or how they are spent. I call BS. If I raise 50K for my race, Is it OK to go to Tanzania with it? I couldn't anyway, this site is run by Kintera fund raising, it goes direct to Special Olympics, Just trying to make an analogy that makes sense.

Regards,

Steve Ahrenberg

+1

Again reminds me - no good deed goes unpunished - or - the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

03 January 2014, 06:01

AnotherAZWriter

I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I do find it ironic so many said it was okay for CB to file BK (certainly a legal action) to get off the hook for money he owes at least one fellow hunter, but so many took Stu to task on his effort to make his life whole (not to fund future hunts, just to get back to where he was).

On the other hand, if Tim had insurance, he is totally within his right to get them to pay up; after all, that is why we purchase insurance. If this was me and my insurance company balked, I would be pretty pissed off.

03 January 2014, 06:07

Trax

quote:
Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I do find it ironic so many said it was okay for CB to file BK (certainly a legal action) to get off the hook for money he owes at least one fellow hunter, but so many took Stu to task on his effort to make his life whole (not to fund future hunts, just to get back to where he was).

100%...

CB legally filed for BK to cover his own careless & destructive actions,
Stu Taylor is going the legal process,to deal with someone else's careless and destructive actions.

03 January 2014, 07:20

tygersman

So, this post is intended to: ??????

I tend to agree that people seem to jump to conclusions prematurely. But I'm also pretty certain this matter has far from run its course, making this post a bit premature whatever the intent.

03 January 2014, 07:24

Code4

Charity starts at home.

03 January 2014, 07:34

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
I have been watching the on goings unfold on the Stu Taylor threads and just thought I would post the above observation. I speak for no one but myself when I say that there is no amount of money I would accept to let some of the below "hunters" get anywhere near me with a firearm. I am shocked to say the least at the way I have seen some of you respond to this situation from the beginning. Many of you have shown a complete disdain for anyone left damaged in the wake of one of your or someone elses "vacation". It would appear that it is completely lost on you that these service providers are humans with lives and dependants seperate from your fantasy. The statements that are made recklessly with no attention to veracity are slander and libel, not to mention the lack of attention to how asinine you sound. So, with that said, lets look at some of the horrible statements made by some:

quote:
originally posted by Saeed:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Stu Taylor, as well as other PHs who have met with an unfortunate accident, deserve all the help we can give them.

People have stepped up and donated quite a bit of money to Stu, and he deserves every penny of it.

The money was collected to help Stu with his medical bills, and any other personal use he might have.

However, we have confirmed reports that part of this money is being used in suing Tim and his insurance company.

This was confirmed by a well known member talking to Stu himself.

Personally, I feel very uncomfortable about this direction, as it never crossed my mind that this is going to happen.

Helping a fellow hunter is one thing, but financing a court action against another hunter is another matter.

Therefore, I have decide not to allow any further collection on behalf of Stu Taylor.

I have no regret that we have collected money for Stu, and every individual member here, who have helped in this collection, and I have had contact with, feels exactly the same.

If Stu feels he wishes to take legal action against Tim, that is of course his prerogative.

But getting this financed through AR is not acceptable to me.

Assuming that the "Thank You" from Stu post is legitimate, Stu said this....

quote:
Whilst I need to protect my future, I am doing so with the assistance of counsel(on a contingency basis)......I would like to assure all the donors who have contributed so generously that their donations have never been used to pay a lawyer.

Larry Shores and Todd Williams agreed with Saeed and you know, not having any knowledge of the facts would not stop some of the local jerk offs from chiming in...
quote:
originally posted by bwanamrm
definitely not cool in my book. I donated money to help with living expenses and health care not fund a lawsuit. Disappointing to say the least.

quote:
originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg
Not cool. I donated monies that could have gone to Special Olympics, a charity near and dear to my own life.

quote:
originally posted by pagosawingnut
I'm in the same boat. I could have used the funds I donated for something other than to fund a lawsuit. Not that a lawsuit wasn't expected but I didn't donate that money for that cause.

quote:
originally posted by Beretta682E
I'm in the same boat. I could have used the funds I donated for something other than to fund a lawsuit. Not that a lawsuit wasn't expected but I didn't donate that money for that cause.

And Larry Shores couldn't let Mikes statement above go without confirmation
quote:
Mike:

Those exact words crossed my mind.

Fallowbuck chimed in after Saeed informed us all of Stu's evil doings...
quote:
That s such a shame.

I had mentioned to Roland about donating a hunt to the uk to raise money for stu. I'm now glad I got caught up with and didn't get the details finalised.

I wholeheartedly agree with saeeds position on this.

Good thing Stu didn't get any help from you "K"
Then good ol'Scottyboy took the opportunity to take it to a whole new level...
quote:
originally posted by Scottyboy
Talk about reprehensible.

Stu was shot again.. this time in the foot by himself. What a dickhead move.

Glad I did not fund his lawsuit to sue my friend.

I commend you guys for stepping up to help someone out, but this just goes to show you that even "good" guys have a lapse in judgement and do some incredibly stupid things.

Then, I couldn't believe that Roland, the guy who had the heart to put this deal together made quite possibly the most assinine statement imaginable...
quote:
originally posted by latebloomer
Too bad for Stu it had to end like this...the very hands that fed him!

Then, Larry Shores, another great contributor to this effort had to reenforce Rolands statement with...
quote:
I am more than a little bothered by the entire matter. I have put up a lot of money personally and obviously helped raise more.

I started to become worried a few weeks ago. I arranged to have some world class specialist surgeons look at Stu's medical records at no cost to him. Stu became strangely silent. I could not figure that one out. I was bothered, bothered a lot.

Tim has helped Stu and helped a lot. Tim is also fighting with his insurance company to pay benefits to Stu.

I got wind of the Conservation Force issues and the lawsuit a few days ago. I was shocked, disappointed and embarrassed. I couldn't believe it.

A hell of a lot of money has gone to Stu from AR members. Counting everything , it has to be well over $100,000 . He has bitten the hand that fed him in my book.As some of you know, there are 3 of us who have formed the African Professional Hunter Relief Fund to help those in need. One of our founders had some ideas on how to disburse money. Honestly, I thought it was overkill. I now know he was 100% correct.

Regardless, many on AR have stepped up and shown what kind of people there are. I sincerely appreciate the contributions of all of those involved.

Happy holidays to all of you.

UEG seemed to be equally as upset by the not facts...
quote:
originally posted by Use Enough Gun
Having been a lawyer for over 31 years, I think I now may have heard it all. NEVER have I heard of money being raised in good faith for the physical recovery and personal needs of an individual being used to clandestinely fuel litigation against the very man trying to assist in the injured's recovery. And, to those who have said here on AR that an individual can use that money however he wishes once he gets it, is pure unadulterated bullshit when taken in the context of why it was being raised. The money raised for Stu Taylor was being raised to assist him in his physical recovery and personal needs-not in any way, shape or form, to fuel litigation against Tim Herald. I do hope that Jumbo Moore is not tied into any of this. I know Jumbo and have had a deep respect for him for many years.

Well done gentlemen, you have preserved a place for yourselved in infamy, that is your goal, no?

Brad

The comment you have from me was not made by me. Your cutting and pasting skills are pathetic. Also the comment you have for larry shores to my comment is not correct in accuracy or context.

I have made other comments regarding the whole stu taylor fund raising and i stand by them.

I gave money and auctioned an ar for stu but in hindsight that money could have been better donated elsewhere. We are all grown boys and what is done is done. As i have said before stu fundraising for me is done and dusted.

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

03 January 2014, 07:59

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Brad

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

My thoughts exactly!!

And as Tygersman stated, this has far from run its full course! I'll stand by my previous position ... that being fine with having helped Stu, but being done with the entire sad saga at this point.

03 January 2014, 08:01

larryshores

We are all entitled to decide if we want to contribute and for what purpose. If any one wants to contribute but not for legal fees, that is 100% the decision of the person considering making a contribution. Frankly, that decision is none of your business .

By the way, did you contribute anything ? I am curious if you are throwing rocks with no skin in the game .

If Stu wants to sue Tim, fine. There are a lot of issues to overcome , significant issues .

I wish the best for him. I have made my last contribution .

03 January 2014, 08:07

MJines

Let me share my New Years resolution. I put 505 gibbs and Trax on Ignore. The New Year is already looking bright.

03 January 2014, 08:18

505 gibbs

quote:
BradThe comment you have from me was not made by me. Your cutting and pasting skills are pathetic. Also the comment you have for larry shores to my comment is not correct in accuracy or context.

Mike,
You are correct and I apologize, my "cut and paste" didn't catch, I have gone back and fixed it with the equally shitty comment that you actually did make, thanks for the correction.

Steve,
As far as your comment about my post being "classy", that is a bold statement coming from someone who joined in the tarring and feathering of another man with no direct knowledge of the facts. As far as leaving some of your other comments in reference to your other philanthropy, I am afraid you have missed my point. I am not questioning the amounts or even the intentions of the gifts of others, rather the complete disdain shown after someone suggested (falsely according to one of the primary parties) that he had done something with his money that others disapproved of.

03 January 2014, 08:22

Trax

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Let me share my New Years resolution. I put 505 gibbs and Trax on Ignore.

I am sure you will be personally compelled to post to tell the forum the same trivial thing yet again,
..which on count, will be at least the third time you have done so.

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
I am not questioning the amounts or even the intentions of the gifts of others, rather the complete disdain shown after someone suggested (falsely according to one of the primary parties) that he had done something with his money that others disapproved of.

...

Maybe LarryShores can elaborate as to why his account of what Stu Taylor has done with the funds,
dramatically differs as to what Stu Taylor himself actually says he did with the provided assistance money.

Larry,
can you better clarify;
- was it actually Stu Taylor that directly told you that the raised funds were being spent on his legal counsel???

03 January 2014, 08:27

AnotherAZWriter

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
We are all entitled to decide if we want to contribute and for what purpose. If any one wants to contribute but not for legal fees, that is 100% the decision of the person considering making a contribution. Frankly, that decision is none of your business .

By the way, did you contribute anything ? I am curious if you are throwing rocks with no skin in the game .

If Stu wants to sue Tim, fine. There are a lot of issues to overcome , significant issues .

I wish the best for him. I have made my last contribution .

03 January 2014, 08:54

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
quote:
BradThe comment you have from me was not made by me. Your cutting and pasting skills are pathetic. Also the comment you have for larry shores to my comment is not correct in accuracy or context.

Mike,
You are correct and I apologize, my "cut and paste" didn't catch, I have gone back and fixed it with the equally shitty comment that you actually did make, thanks for the correction.

Steve,
As far as your comment about my post being "classy", that is a bold statement coming from someone who joined in the tarring and feathering of another man with no direct knowledge of the facts. As far as leaving some of your other comments in reference to your other philanthropy, I am afraid you have missed my point. I am not questioning the amounts or even the intentions of the gifts of others, rather the complete disdain shown after someone suggested (falsely according to one of the primary parties) that he had done something with his money that others disapproved of.

You're right, I have no direct knowledge of the facts. Since I didn't see you on television carrying the stretcher Stu was on, I must assume neither do you.

Like I said before, we don't and never will know the entire story. However, CF. Martin Peters and others who's word bear weight with me all led to the opinion. The safest opinion to have was yours'

03 January 2014, 09:54

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
We are all entitled to decide if we want to contribute and for what purpose. If any one wants to contribute but not for legal fees, that is 100% the decision of the person considering making a contribution. Frankly, that decision is none of your business .

By the way, did you contribute anything ? I am curious if you are throwing rocks with no skin in the game .

If Stu wants to sue Tim, fine. There are a lot of issues to overcome , significant issues .

I wish the best for him. I have made my last contribution .

Larry,

I wish you were right.

Someone else should have kept quiet.

This is the Internet, and I suspect the truth will eventually come out, and you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

You did more than anyone else here to help.

I wasn't going to comment on 505 gibbs post.

It wasn't worth it.

03 January 2014, 11:30

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
quote:
BradThe comment you have from me was not made by me. Your cutting and pasting skills are pathetic. Also the comment you have for larry shores to my comment is not correct in accuracy or context.

Mike,
You are correct and I apologize, my "cut and paste" didn't catch, I have gone back and fixed it with the equally shitty comment that you actually did make, thanks for the correction.

Steve,
As far as your comment about my post being "classy", that is a bold statement coming from someone who joined in the tarring and feathering of another man with no direct knowledge of the facts. As far as leaving some of your other comments in reference to your other philanthropy, I am afraid you have missed my point. I am not questioning the amounts or even the intentions of the gifts of others, rather the complete disdain shown after someone suggested (falsely according to one of the primary parties) that he had done something with his money that others disapproved of.

Brad:

(1) Have you contributed anything to Stu? Or is he a purely academic or intellectual exercise for you?

(2) In your initial post on Tim, Stu and the whole saga you mentioned you were chatting with Andrew in Zambia about how little was done for Stu by Tim.

Andrew along with Roland decide to raise money for Stu by doing a limited run on a print. Did you think it was a good idea on their part? Cause it appears you were pretty absent from either buying a print, donating a print, donating a hunt, donating a book/dvd or donating a rifle.

If you can sit under a warm Zambian night sky after blowing some holes in every expensive trophies and worry about why Tim has not done enough for Stu. Then when your PH donates one his prints to the cause of helping Stu, you end up strangely absent from the whole fund raising. Must be tough to come up with $750 or even less cause other AR members donated so prints could be had for less than $750. Trophy fees, taxidermy, tips all must take precedent before Stu's print I assume.

Before you go bitch and whine about Saeed or Larry or anyone else and why no one has the right to question how contributions raised by a tax deductible organization and on a private website are allocated have the f*cking balls to buy a print.

The primary party who facilitated the transaction says they are done with this fundraising. Are you willing to now step in offer a new print (or even the old print if Andrew your PH allows), donate a hunt or a rifle or just intermediate for someone to send money to Stu. As you have mentioned Stu needs more than monies already raised and wired to him.

What are you willing to do going forward to help Stu ? What do you offer to make a wretched soul like me who is done and dusted with Stu fundraising to give him more money unconditionally that could be spent on guns, airfare, trophy fees and other goodies for sale in Dallas next week.

A hunt similar to what CMS is doing for Ant may get me and some other AR members interested.

Mike

03 January 2014, 12:48

georgeld

What a way to start the new year.
George

03 January 2014, 16:05

BrettAKSCI

Judge not Brad. Leave judgement to the real Jesus………

Brett

03 January 2014, 16:56

Caracal

Guys,
What is the point of that?
That will lead to nothing.

Stu and Tim are full grown men and I am pretty sure they can fight their own fights.

Let us get back to hunting.

quote:
Originally posted by sheephunterab:
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised or disappointed that insurances companies and lawyers are involved. Seems like pretty standard operating procedure to me. No different than if Tim hit someone with his car. Well other than maybe there would have been less drama on here.......

03 January 2014, 17:22

505 gibbs

Let the chest pounding begin...

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg
You conveniently left off some other parts of my comments and I'm sure others as well. Like the part about me deciding to donate more monies to other charities than I have in the past. Philanthropy is a noble trait. Trying to pick winners and losers on this Stu/Tim thing is not a noble cause.

Even knowing what I know today, I would not donate one single penny to this cause. It is too convoluted and complex to follow. I am one thousand percent positive we still don't, nor ever will, have all the facts.

I personally donated, what I would consider to be a large amount to Stu. I don't regret it, just would never repeat this.

If you look at my comment, you might see a noble cause is mentioned, Special Olympics.

Check out this site

www.2014ridetoprovide.kintera.org

This is MY PERSONAL donation site for Special Olympics. It is for a bike race I am competing in, in June, the longest most complex bicycle race in the world. What are you doing for charity Brad?

I have only raised 2,900.00 dollars and I personally donated something close to double that to Stu in this endeavor. (about a third of my 2,900.00 total came from one very generous man)

quote:
originally posted by Beretta682E
I gave money and auctioned an ar for stu but in hindsight that money could have been better donated elsewhere. We are all grown boys and what is done is done. As i have said before stu fundraising for me is done and dusted.

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Brad

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

My thoughts exactly!!

And as Tygersman stated, this has far from run its full course! I'll stand by my previous position ... that being fine with having helped Stu, but being done with the entire sad saga at this point.

quote:
and again by Beretta682E
Brad:

(1) Have you contributed anything to Stu? Or is he a purely academic or intellectual exercise for you?

(2) In your initial post on Tim, Stu and the whole saga you mentioned you were chatting with Andrew in Zambia about how little was done for Stu by Tim.

Andrew along with Roland decide to raise money for Stu by doing a limited run on a print. Did you think it was a good idea on their part? Cause it appears you were pretty absent from either buying a print, donating a print, donating a hunt, donating a book/dvd or donating a rifle.

If you can sit under a warm Zambian night sky after blowing some holes in every expensive trophies and worry about why Tim has not done enough for Stu. Then when your PH donates one his prints to the cause of helping Stu, you end up strangely absent from the whole fund raising. Must be tough to come up with $750 or even less cause other AR members donated so prints could be had for less than $750. Trophy fees, taxidermy, tips all must take precedent before Stu's print I assume.

Before you go bitch and whine about Saeed or Larry or anyone else and why no one has the right to question how contributions raised by a tax deductible organization and on a private website are allocated have the f*cking balls to buy a print.

The primary party who facilitated the transaction says they are done with this fundraising. Are you willing to now step in offer a new print (or even the old print if Andrew your PH allows), donate a hunt or a rifle or just intermediate for someone to send money to Stu. As you have mentioned Stu needs more than monies already raised and wired to him.

What are you willing to do going forward to help Stu ? What do you offer to make a wretched soul like me who is done and dusted with Stu fundraising to give him more money unconditionally that could be spent on guns, airfare, trophy fees and other goodies for sale in Dallas next week.

A hunt similar to what CMS is doing for Ant may get me and some other AR members interested.

Mike

03 January 2014, 17:49

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Let the chest pounding begin...

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg
You conveniently left off some other parts of my comments and I'm sure others as well. Like the part about me deciding to donate more monies to other charities than I have in the past. Philanthropy is a noble trait. Trying to pick winners and losers on this Stu/Tim thing is not a noble cause.

Even knowing what I know today, I would not donate one single penny to this cause. It is too convoluted and complex to follow. I am one thousand percent positive we still don't, nor ever will, have all the facts.

I personally donated, what I would consider to be a large amount to Stu. I don't regret it, just would never repeat this.

If you look at my comment, you might see a noble cause is mentioned, Special Olympics.

Check out this site

www.2014ridetoprovide.kintera.org

This is MY PERSONAL donation site for Special Olympics. It is for a bike race I am competing in, in June, the longest most complex bicycle race in the world. What are you doing for charity Brad?

I have only raised 2,900.00 dollars and I personally donated something close to double that to Stu in this endeavor. (about a third of my 2,900.00 total came from one very generous man)

quote:
originally posted by Beretta682E
I gave money and auctioned an ar for stu but in hindsight that money could have been better donated elsewhere. We are all grown boys and what is done is done. As i have said before stu fundraising for me is done and dusted.

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Brad

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

My thoughts exactly!!

And as Tygersman stated, this has far from run its full course! I'll stand by my previous position ... that being fine with having helped Stu, but being done with the entire sad saga at this point.

quote:
and again by Beretta682E
Brad:

(1) Have you contributed anything to Stu? Or is he a purely academic or intellectual exercise for you?

(2) In your initial post on Tim, Stu and the whole saga you mentioned you were chatting with Andrew in Zambia about how little was done for Stu by Tim.

Andrew along with Roland decide to raise money for Stu by doing a limited run on a print. Did you think it was a good idea on their part? Cause it appears you were pretty absent from either buying a print, donating a print, donating a hunt, donating a book/dvd or donating a rifle.

If you can sit under a warm Zambian night sky after blowing some holes in every expensive trophies and worry about why Tim has not done enough for Stu. Then when your PH donates one his prints to the cause of helping Stu, you end up strangely absent from the whole fund raising. Must be tough to come up with $750 or even less cause other AR members donated so prints could be had for less than $750. Trophy fees, taxidermy, tips all must take precedent before Stu's print I assume.

Before you go bitch and whine about Saeed or Larry or anyone else and why no one has the right to question how contributions raised by a tax deductible organization and on a private website are allocated have the f*cking balls to buy a print.

The primary party who facilitated the transaction says they are done with this fundraising. Are you willing to now step in offer a new print (or even the old print if Andrew your PH allows), donate a hunt or a rifle or just intermediate for someone to send money to Stu. As you have mentioned Stu needs more than monies already raised and wired to him.

What are you willing to do going forward to help Stu ? What do you offer to make a wretched soul like me who is done and dusted with Stu fundraising to give him more money unconditionally that could be spent on guns, airfare, trophy fees and other goodies for sale in Dallas next week.

A hunt similar to what CMS is doing for Ant may get me and some other AR members interested.

Mike

505 gibbs

Let me ask you a simple question.

What have YOU done to help either Stu, anyone else in need, or any conservation effort?

03 January 2014, 18:04

Beretta682E

Brad

Seems like you cannot or more correctly will not write a check to Stu.

But you will offer free prayers for him, his family, his trackers and the people of Zimbabwe and all its wildlife.

Easy to bitch about Tim "blowing holes in animals" when Stu rots away when you come bearing free prayers.

So I assume expect no fund raising effort from you for Stu. You are not going to try and get Andrew to donate another print or a hunt for Stu or some free taxidermy services all to the benefit Stu.

You should not worry, you are giving Stu your most unconditional asset - free prayers. The money can better be spent blowing holes in animals.

Enjoy your own BS as I expect very little else from you.

Mike

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Let the chest pounding begin...

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg
You conveniently left off some other parts of my comments and I'm sure others as well. Like the part about me deciding to donate more monies to other charities than I have in the past. Philanthropy is a noble trait. Trying to pick winners and losers on this Stu/Tim thing is not a noble cause.

Even knowing what I know today, I would not donate one single penny to this cause. It is too convoluted and complex to follow. I am one thousand percent positive we still don't, nor ever will, have all the facts.

I personally donated, what I would consider to be a large amount to Stu. I don't regret it, just would never repeat this.

If you look at my comment, you might see a noble cause is mentioned, Special Olympics.

Check out this site

www.2014ridetoprovide.kintera.org

This is MY PERSONAL donation site for Special Olympics. It is for a bike race I am competing in, in June, the longest most complex bicycle race in the world. What are you doing for charity Brad?

I have only raised 2,900.00 dollars and I personally donated something close to double that to Stu in this endeavor. (about a third of my 2,900.00 total came from one very generous man)

quote:
originally posted by Beretta682E
I gave money and auctioned an ar for stu but in hindsight that money could have been better donated elsewhere. We are all grown boys and what is done is done. As i have said before stu fundraising for me is done and dusted.

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Brad

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

My thoughts exactly!!

And as Tygersman stated, this has far from run its full course! I'll stand by my previous position ... that being fine with having helped Stu, but being done with the entire sad saga at this point.

quote:
and again by Beretta682E
Brad:

(1) Have you contributed anything to Stu? Or is he a purely academic or intellectual exercise for you?

(2) In your initial post on Tim, Stu and the whole saga you mentioned you were chatting with Andrew in Zambia about how little was done for Stu by Tim.

Andrew along with Roland decide to raise money for Stu by doing a limited run on a print. Did you think it was a good idea on their part? Cause it appears you were pretty absent from either buying a print, donating a print, donating a hunt, donating a book/dvd or donating a rifle.

If you can sit under a warm Zambian night sky after blowing some holes in every expensive trophies and worry about why Tim has not done enough for Stu. Then when your PH donates one his prints to the cause of helping Stu, you end up strangely absent from the whole fund raising. Must be tough to come up with $750 or even less cause other AR members donated so prints could be had for less than $750. Trophy fees, taxidermy, tips all must take precedent before Stu's print I assume.

Before you go bitch and whine about Saeed or Larry or anyone else and why no one has the right to question how contributions raised by a tax deductible organization and on a private website are allocated have the f*cking balls to buy a print.

The primary party who facilitated the transaction says they are done with this fundraising. Are you willing to now step in offer a new print (or even the old print if Andrew your PH allows), donate a hunt or a rifle or just intermediate for someone to send money to Stu. As you have mentioned Stu needs more than monies already raised and wired to him.

What are you willing to do going forward to help Stu ? What do you offer to make a wretched soul like me who is done and dusted with Stu fundraising to give him more money unconditionally that could be spent on guns, airfare, trophy fees and other goodies for sale in Dallas next week.

A hunt similar to what CMS is doing for Ant may get me and some other AR members interested.

Mike

03 January 2014, 19:11

505 gibbs

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Let the chest pounding begin...

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg
You conveniently left off some other parts of my comments and I'm sure others as well. Like the part about me deciding to donate more monies to other charities than I have in the past. Philanthropy is a noble trait. Trying to pick winners and losers on this Stu/Tim thing is not a noble cause.

Even knowing what I know today, I would not donate one single penny to this cause. It is too convoluted and complex to follow. I am one thousand percent positive we still don't, nor ever will, have all the facts.

I personally donated, what I would consider to be a large amount to Stu. I don't regret it, just would never repeat this.

If you look at my comment, you might see a noble cause is mentioned, Special Olympics.

Check out this site

www.2014ridetoprovide.kintera.org

This is MY PERSONAL donation site for Special Olympics. It is for a bike race I am competing in, in June, the longest most complex bicycle race in the world. What are you doing for charity Brad?

I have only raised 2,900.00 dollars and I personally donated something close to double that to Stu in this endeavor. (about a third of my 2,900.00 total came from one very generous man)

quote:
originally posted by Beretta682E
I gave money and auctioned an ar for stu but in hindsight that money could have been better donated elsewhere. We are all grown boys and what is done is done. As i have said before stu fundraising for me is done and dusted.

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Brad

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

My thoughts exactly!!

And as Tygersman stated, this has far from run its full course! I'll stand by my previous position ... that being fine with having helped Stu, but being done with the entire sad saga at this point.

quote:
and again by Beretta682E
Brad:

(1) Have you contributed anything to Stu? Or is he a purely academic or intellectual exercise for you?

(2) In your initial post on Tim, Stu and the whole saga you mentioned you were chatting with Andrew in Zambia about how little was done for Stu by Tim.

Andrew along with Roland decide to raise money for Stu by doing a limited run on a print. Did you think it was a good idea on their part? Cause it appears you were pretty absent from either buying a print, donating a print, donating a hunt, donating a book/dvd or donating a rifle.

If you can sit under a warm Zambian night sky after blowing some holes in every expensive trophies and worry about why Tim has not done enough for Stu. Then when your PH donates one his prints to the cause of helping Stu, you end up strangely absent from the whole fund raising. Must be tough to come up with $750 or even less cause other AR members donated so prints could be had for less than $750. Trophy fees, taxidermy, tips all must take precedent before Stu's print I assume.

Before you go bitch and whine about Saeed or Larry or anyone else and why no one has the right to question how contributions raised by a tax deductible organization and on a private website are allocated have the f*cking balls to buy a print.

The primary party who facilitated the transaction says they are done with this fundraising. Are you willing to now step in offer a new print (or even the old print if Andrew your PH allows), donate a hunt or a rifle or just intermediate for someone to send money to Stu. As you have mentioned Stu needs more than monies already raised and wired to him.

What are you willing to do going forward to help Stu ? What do you offer to make a wretched soul like me who is done and dusted with Stu fundraising to give him more money unconditionally that could be spent on guns, airfare, trophy fees and other goodies for sale in Dallas next week.

A hunt similar to what CMS is doing for Ant may get me and some other AR members interested.

Mike

505 gibbs

Let me ask you a simple question.

What have YOU done to help either Stu, anyone else in need, or any conservation effort?

www.accuratereloading.com

Saeed,
That is none of your or anyone else's business. You and some of your members uninformed ridiculous statements and tasteless questions do a great deal in making my point, please feel free to continue with the chest beating.....

03 January 2014, 19:16

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Let the chest pounding begin...

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg
You conveniently left off some other parts of my comments and I'm sure others as well. Like the part about me deciding to donate more monies to other charities than I have in the past. Philanthropy is a noble trait. Trying to pick winners and losers on this Stu/Tim thing is not a noble cause.

Even knowing what I know today, I would not donate one single penny to this cause. It is too convoluted and complex to follow. I am one thousand percent positive we still don't, nor ever will, have all the facts.

I personally donated, what I would consider to be a large amount to Stu. I don't regret it, just would never repeat this.

If you look at my comment, you might see a noble cause is mentioned, Special Olympics.

Check out this site

www.2014ridetoprovide.kintera.org

This is MY PERSONAL donation site for Special Olympics. It is for a bike race I am competing in, in June, the longest most complex bicycle race in the world. What are you doing for charity Brad?

I have only raised 2,900.00 dollars and I personally donated something close to double that to Stu in this endeavor. (about a third of my 2,900.00 total came from one very generous man)

quote:
originally posted by Beretta682E
I gave money and auctioned an ar for stu but in hindsight that money could have been better donated elsewhere. We are all grown boys and what is done is done. As i have said before stu fundraising for me is done and dusted.

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Brad

Strange though when the checkbooks were out and andrew with whom you have hunted and kind of been the organization person for the ar group hunts was donating a print - did not see your name on the list of purchasers.

Take care,

Mike

My thoughts exactly!!

And as Tygersman stated, this has far from run its full course! I'll stand by my previous position ... that being fine with having helped Stu, but being done with the entire sad saga at this point.

quote:
and again by Beretta682E
Brad:

(1) Have you contributed anything to Stu? Or is he a purely academic or intellectual exercise for you?

(2) In your initial post on Tim, Stu and the whole saga you mentioned you were chatting with Andrew in Zambia about how little was done for Stu by Tim.

Andrew along with Roland decide to raise money for Stu by doing a limited run on a print. Did you think it was a good idea on their part? Cause it appears you were pretty absent from either buying a print, donating a print, donating a hunt, donating a book/dvd or donating a rifle.

If you can sit under a warm Zambian night sky after blowing some holes in every expensive trophies and worry about why Tim has not done enough for Stu. Then when your PH donates one his prints to the cause of helping Stu, you end up strangely absent from the whole fund raising. Must be tough to come up with $750 or even less cause other AR members donated so prints could be had for less than $750. Trophy fees, taxidermy, tips all must take precedent before Stu's print I assume.

Before you go bitch and whine about Saeed or Larry or anyone else and why no one has the right to question how contributions raised by a tax deductible organization and on a private website are allocated have the f*cking balls to buy a print.

The primary party who facilitated the transaction says they are done with this fundraising. Are you willing to now step in offer a new print (or even the old print if Andrew your PH allows), donate a hunt or a rifle or just intermediate for someone to send money to Stu. As you have mentioned Stu needs more than monies already raised and wired to him.

What are you willing to do going forward to help Stu ? What do you offer to make a wretched soul like me who is done and dusted with Stu fundraising to give him more money unconditionally that could be spent on guns, airfare, trophy fees and other goodies for sale in Dallas next week.

A hunt similar to what CMS is doing for Ant may get me and some other AR members interested.

Mike

505 gibbs

Let me ask you a simple question.

What have YOU done to help either Stu, anyone else in need, or any conservation effort?

www.accuratereloading.com

Saeed,
That is none of your or anyone else's business. You and some of your members uninformed ridiculous statements and tasteless questions do a great deal in making my point, please feel free to continue with the chest beating.....

So you consider yourself qualified to comment on something you have shown to be so ignorant of, but we have no right to ask you to show us what you have done?

You should be in politics.

You will go far.