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With all of the insanity going around,we feel the need to protect ourselves. I have come up with this document which hopefully will provide some protection. Of course, I am not a lawyer.
 
Posts: 12159 | Location: Orlando, FL | Registered: 26 January 2006Reply With Quote
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Larry, the document isn't showing up in your post or at photobucket.
 
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I don't know. I can see it in the post.
 
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The issue must be on my end then Larry. Thanks
 
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PM me your e mail address. I will e mail it to you.
 
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I have viewed it from a few different devices. It shows up on all. Not sure of the nature of the problem.
 
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Thanks again Larry.
 
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I see nothing either Larry?


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Posts: 4888 | Location: Boise, Idaho | Registered: 05 March 2009Reply With Quote
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Doesn't show up for me either.....



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Posts: 42535 | Location: Crosby and Barksdale, Texas | Registered: 18 September 2006Reply With Quote
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Odd. I can see it from various devices here.

Let me look into it.

I e mailed it to you Aaron.
 
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Can you see it now ?
 
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Yes, and it is a great idea!


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I would add lines to list Safari Company owners below the company name to ensure you are not violating US law by doing business with prohibited individuals.
 
Posts: 175 | Location: Somewhere in a sale-barn | Registered: 07 June 2013Reply With Quote
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If I have to go through all that BS, I ain't going. We all know you can be sued no matter what if you piss off the wrong people.
 
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If I have to go through all that BS, I ain't going. We all know you can be sued no matter what if you piss off the wrong people.


It is to prevent hassle's with our own Govt. Not to prevent being sued.

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Originally posted by larryshores: ... With all of the insanity going around,we feel the need to protect ourselves. I have come up with this document which hopefully will provide some protection. Of course, I am not a lawyer.


I am. I guess it depends on how you define "some protection" and from whom. I suppose if the PH in Dr. Palmer's hunt had something along these lines, perhaps it would have blunted, to some degree, the media fire-storm ... but maybe not ... since the antis and the liberal media have their agenda and the "facts" are really not that important to them. Would such a document stop a third-world dictator or corrupt bureaucrat from calling for the extradition of a hunter for political purposes? Probably not. However, it might be useful if a U.S. judge was considering such an extradition request ... You never really know until the issue comes up and then you throw everything against the wall and see what sticks. Reps. And Warranties are normally found in written contracts. The breach of the Reps. And Warranties by a contracting party would normally give rise to a cause of action for breach of contract, and under the right circumstances, maybe even a claim for fraud.

Finally, nothing contained above should be deemed or construed as a "legal advice." If you intend to use such a document in connection with your hunt, you should have it reviewed by competent legal counsel as to its legal effect and application to your specific circumstances.
 
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Originally posted by larryshores: ... With all of the insanity going around,we feel the need to protect ourselves. I have come up with this document which hopefully will provide some protection. Of course, I am not a lawyer.


I am. I guess it depends on how you define "some protection" and from whom. I suppose if the PH in Dr. Palmer's hunt had something along these lines, perhaps it would have blunted, to some degree, the media fire-storm ... but maybe not ... since the antis and the liberal media have their agenda and the "facts" are really not that important to them. Would such a document stop a third-world dictator or corrupt bureaucrat from calling for the extradition of a hunter for political purposes? Probably not. However, it might be useful if a U.S. judge was considering such an extradition request ... You never really know until the issue comes up and then you throw everything against the wall and see what sticks. Reps. And Warranties are normally found in written contracts. The breach of the Reps. And Warranties by a contracting party would normally give rise to a cause of action for breach of contract, and under the right circumstances, maybe even a claim for fraud.

Finally, nothing contained above should be deemed or construed as a "legal advice." If you intend to use such a document in connection with your hunt, you should have it reviewed by competent legal counsel as to its legal effect and application to your specific circumstances.


Sir, I think you have hit the nail on the head. NOTHING will stop some 3rd world jack ass if they want to go after you. However, we have to have something in the case our government tries something.

Hell, I don't remember ever seeing my hunting license in another country. I would not have the slightest idea how to check for quota. I think 99% of the clients have no idea where they are once they leave the airport. I know I don't and I am making my 22nd safari.

In the final analysis, I want something to show that I attempted to comply.
 
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Makes sense Larry.


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I'd sooner have a document like this signed off by the outfitter/PH than relying on their word.
 
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Originally posted by JGRaider:
If I have to go through all that BS, I ain't going. We all know you can be sued no matter what if you piss off the wrong people.


It is to prevent hassle's with our own Govt. Not to prevent being sued.

Jeff


Precisely why you should get some documentation on 'who' the "Black Partner" is in as they ALL have one, many illegal to do business with.
 
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There are no prohibited individuals in Tanzania as far as I know.
 
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I won't offer a legal opinion, but more paper is better than less. In Zimbabwe, this might be better than native toilet paper. Without pun, CYA.


I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills.

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I'd be interested in creating a similar document through Conservation Force. I'm only a Cracker Jack lawyer, but I'd be willing to help create a form release and disclosure. However, it would carry more weight with approval from the major hunting groups "over there."


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I like the idea, Larry.

It seems that, too often (when things go wrong), the client (from $OVERSEAS) is assumed to know exactly how $AFRICAN_COUNTRY law and regulations work, when shit happens.

I have no idea whether it will do anything in places like Zim, but it has to count in countries that aren't totally under despotic rule.


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I would not have the slightest idea how to check for quota. I think 99% of the clients have no idea where they are once they leave the airport. I know I don't and I am making my 22nd safari.


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Posts: 1844 | Location: Sinton, Texas | Registered: 08 November 2006Reply With Quote
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I like the idea, Larry.

It seems that, too often (when things go wrong), the client (from $OVERSEAS) is assumed to know exactly how $AFRICAN_COUNTRY law and regulations work, when shit happens.

I have no idea whether it will do anything in places like Zim, but it has to count in countries that aren't totally under despotic rule.


A choice of law clause providing jurisdiction in the US for any breach would go a long way to enable clients to hold safari companies accountable.


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A few years ago my partner and I bought Rubber Stamps that said "Certified Copy" in red ink. We stamped every copy of everything we had with them. We were surprised how much faster with less hassle our documents were accepted.



 
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Gentlemen:

This document is something we are using. I am now a lawyer and am not offering legal advice. This is simply what we have decided to use as documentation we are complying.
 
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