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Now that we've had the long thread about Jack O'Connor, I propose that we try one about another (admittedly lesser known) notable gun writer and hunter of the past: Warren Page. I admit to knowing very little about Page. I remember reading somewhere that he did not come from a hunting and shooting background, but that he was looking for a job at one of the sporting magazines, and was told that the position of shooting editor was open. So he took it, and then went about educating himself about shooting and hunting. I also understand that he felt it was his duty, because of the position he occupied, to learn about and use new calibers as they were introduced, so he became a proponent of the 7mm Mashburn magnum. He must have been a quite accomplished hunter because he was awarded the third Weatherby Big Game Trophy (in 1958) -- the first had gone to Herb Klein of Dallas Texas in 1956, and the second to Jack O'Connor of Lewiston, Idaho, in 1957. I also remember reading somewhere that after he retired from his editorial job, Page became vice president of the National Shooting Sports Federation, and did important work promoting that organization. [This message has been edited by LE270 (edited 12-03-2001).] | ||
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<Norbert> |
His book "The Accurate Rifle" was like a bible to benchrest shooters. But he has not too much to say about African Big Game Hunting. | ||
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I had only one experience with the man. It was in 1963 & as a wide eyed 16 year old who read everything he wrote. I sent him a question concerning the first Mauser I ever bought, a 1891 Argentine from Montgomery Ward for $19.95 & it looked unissued! I had asked if the gun could be rechambered to 30/06. The reply that I recieved from him was a real shock. It was a real smart ass answer to a 16 yr. olds question. I'll never forget it. I was excited to get a letter from him signed in his own hand too. Never read a word he wrote after that. ------------------ | |||
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Off the topic, but who was awarded the Weatherby trophy in 1959? | |||
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Norbert- You are correct in Page's lack of writing about Africa. A shame too, because until Boddington came along he was widely acknowledged as having the most African hunting experience of any modern writer. He was also, up until just recently, the only writer to have collected all of the spiral horned antelope. Boddington just did it a year or two ago. O'Conner, while writing a great deal more about it, never even approached Page's number of safaris or countries hunted. Warren Page was truly a worldwide hunter, hunting in India,Africa, Pakistan, Iran, Europe, Canada, Alaska and North America. | |||
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Over 40- The 1959 Weatherby Award was presented to Mr.Berry Brooks of Memphis, TN. | |||
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John, thank you. | |||
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quote: Yes. A day or two ago I found a web page about benchrest shooting, with a benchrest shooters hall of fame, for people who had more than 10 points, where a point was awarded for winning a benchrest event. Warren Page was a member of that hall of fame. [This message has been edited by LE270 (edited 12-03-2001).] | |||
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Bear Claw, Ok.......you have me wondering. What did he tell you that turned you off so bad? I think it is quite interesting the way we imagine some of these gun writers to be is often quite different from who they really are. | |||
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LE270, You are correct,Warren had no experience before he got his first writing job,at Sports Afield I belive.He confided to Jack O'Connor (read this in the Keith-O'Connor-Fowler letters)that before he got that job,he knew very little about firearms and had killed one mule deer. Warren was one of the first big benchrest shooters,and was quite the shot.He probibly had more African experience than Boddington,as on a few occasions Warren got to shoot cape buffalo on control.In his article "One Man's African Rifles",he says he killed around 30 cape buffalos at that time.He used a 458 Winchester and 460 Weatherby at times,but his main DGR was a 375 Weatherby Magnum made on the old Remington 721 action (gasp!a push feed!). Warren claimed credit for the 6mms and the 7mm Remington Magnum,but he did not invent either,just made cartridges similar.Fred Huntington gets the credit for the 6mm Remington,and Les Bowman on the 7mm Remington Magnum (inspired by an old 275 H&H Magnum O'Connor had given him). ------------------ | |||
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<R. A. Berry> |
Brian M, Gasp! Is not! the Remington 721 was an Enfield knock-off that was very CRF, Mauser-like. Great old action for a DGR. But thanks for the other interesting info on Warren Page. He obviously knew what he was doing with a 375 WBY. ------------------ | ||
<BigBob> |
Page wrote a book titled ONE MANS WILDERNESS in which he wrote of his hunts around the world. It is a very good read. Page and Fred Huntington worked on a 6mm that set the stage for both the .243 W. and the .244R.. The cartridge was called THE 6mm PAGE SUPER POOPER. Warren also help to orginize the first nation-wide benchrest groups and to standardize their rules. Warren also set several national benchrest records that lasted a long time. He's another gunwritter who is missed. ------------------ | ||
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RAB- Page's 375Wby was a push feed model, I'm sure. I have seen many photos of it in years gone by. The 30-S was the Enfield action. | |||
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quote: Sorry, but this is not true. The 721 was the forerunner of the Model 700, and, like the 700, it was a push feed. | |||
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quote: He responded that "It is foolish to even consider to even consider rechambering the 1891 Argentine to 30-06. You should know better due to the fact that the 1891 was built to operate at about 40000 psi". I wish I had saved that letter. ------------------ | |||
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<allen day> |
As far as I'm concerned, Warren Page is the most underrated of all the great gunwriters (of the past) by our generation of hunters. I'd like to see a big collection of Page's best hunting stories in book form. Perhaps it would require two volumns - one for his North American hunts, and one for his African hunts. BigBob is right, "One Man's Wilderness" IS a great read and well-worth owning, but the trouble is, that book is far from inclusive of Page's best work. As I understand it, Page graduated from Harvard, then taught at an exclusive school before he turned to gunwriting. AD | ||
<R. A. Berry> |
Brian M, John S and LE270, Of course you are right and I was off the handle on that one. It was the 720 that was a CRF/Enfield knock-off. An excellent action for custom rifles. The 721/722/725/700 are the pushfeed "pipe" actions. I have referred to the Otteson book on bolt actions Thanks for clarifying this. Hopefully I will not forget it again (Remington model numbers aren't to high on the rank of priority for me ) . I must have just been in denial over the fact that Warren Page would use a pushfeed for buffalo control work. Amazing! ------------------ | ||
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Back when I was a kid reading the magazines you had O'Connor, Page and Brown and both Page and Brown suffered in comparison to Jack. Jack could really craft a story and had a tremendous way with a phrase while I always thought of Warren Page as more of a "technical" writer...competent as a writer but always had the impression he was more of a "shooter" than a "hunter". | |||
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DBBill, Again, I agree with your view. 99% of the writers were hunting, shooting, handloading and riflenuts first and then, due to accrued knowledge and experience, turn to writing. O'Conner was a briliant wordsmith who just so happened to be a hunter of the first order. These combined talents set him above the rank and file scribes in obvious fashion. | |||
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