Does anyone have a opinion on the 375 Taylor for DGH as oposed to the 375 H&H.
I was it might be easier and cheaper to find a action to handle the shorter round.
Dr B

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Originally posted by Dr B:
Does anyone have a opinion on the 375 Taylor for DGH as oposed to the 375 H&H.
I was it might be easier and cheaper to find a action to handle the shorter round.
Dr B

Dr B:

I have a .375 Taylor (.375/.338 WinMag) that was made by rebarreling a .30-06 FN Mauser.

Mine ended up with a 21.5" barrel and it will easily do 2450 fps with 300 grain bullets.

The .375 Taylor is a very efficient cartridge that is fully the equal of the heavily tapered .375 H&H ballistically. It even has a longer neck than the .375 H&H which is the only fault I give the .375 H&H (neck too short).

It allows one to have full .375 H&H performance in a .30-06 length action, or a standard M98 Mauser that has not been "butchered."

That is "strong" recommendation.

Give it a 24" barrel and it will give the standard 2530 fps with 300 grainers like the .375 H&H, no problems.

Headstamped brass? I don't recall if QualCart had it last time I looked. That is the only negative, getting brass with proper headstamp. That does not matter in the USA.

It is sweet and easy to neck up .338 WinMag to .375 Taylor.

Thanks RIP
I have my eyes on a cheap FN 270 win. that I'm thinking about making somthing easy to carry, say 7 1/2 lbs. with a 20"-21" barrel.
Dr B

Wrong bolt face, but that could be changed too.

Don't see how you can make a 375 Taylor as cheap as buying a 375 H&H, but that may not be the point. Converting a 7mm Rem Mag (or any such mag. based case) only requires a new barrel.

Everyone needs a 375 H&H, whereas I think the 375 Taylor is just about as useless and teats on a side of bacon...........

AD

Baylor,

If your looking for a thumper in a smaller lighter package than you might find in a full length CRF actioned rifle you might want to consider the 416 Taylor. The Taylor was one projects I never got to but I always thought for larger game like big bears, moose, lions, eland etc. it might be just the ticket with that 350gr. SAF. Of course it works with the 400's also but you need to find bullets with the shorter length to avoid intruding into the case too far and reducing powder capacity. Will has quite a bit of experience with this cartridge.

Then again you if were thinking of something real simple you could go with a 458WM and 350 X for NA and the 500's for big stuff in Africa. It works. My 20" barrel MK X gives 2550fps with the 350X and 2100fps plus depending on bullet with the 500's. It is short, compact and at 8.75 lb quite portable. This in my mind is a perfect candidate for the FN action you mentioned.

Back to your original question. I guess for me since you can build a full length 375 and keep the total gun weight around 8.5 lb I honestly don't see a big advantage in the 375 Taylor and there is the proper headstamped brass question. The disadvantage to the 375 H&H that I see is that the cases need trimming about each time you shoot them. For my money the Weatherby is the best of all worlds 375 but that is a different question.

Sorry if this is a rant but I have some limited experience with all the above and felt like pontificating this Sunday morning.

Mark

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RIP: It allows one to have full .375 H&H performance in a .30-06 length action, or a standard M98 Mauser that has not been "butchered."

Doctor, the Taylor does indeed sound like an efficient round and an easy conversion.
But I still have never heard of a Mark X, FN or any other standard length Mauser blowing up or even setting back because the ring was cut for the H&H.

before I'd alter to the .375 Taylor I'd reshape the RUM case to fit the short action. See the AR cartridges Jeffe is working on.....(gunsmith forum)

This is equivalant to the .375 Dakota and is actually more nuts than the .375 H&H.

That said the .375 H&H isn't all that hard to find.....and I'd find it as opposed to a wildcat. It's still the king and isn't going away soon.

If the 9.3x64 is considered every bit the equal of the 375H&H, then the 375Taylor must also be,for it has a case capacity slightly larger than the great brenneke.(about .005" larger at the base,0.013" at the shoulder)

I would not hesitate to own a 23" tubed 338,9.3,or 375 Taylor in a dropbox std.98.

Most model 70's are actually .375 length. Check that .270, you might be in for a pleasent surprise. The .375 may not be as "efficient" as a shorter cartridge but it will inevitably feed better. That's what that long slope is for. That way any questions about headstamp or lost ammo or world availablility become moot. Wildcats are usually answers to problems that don't really exist.

Well, the nay sayers who don't get enough sex are out in force again.

Mark,
Yes, the .375 Weatherby is the practical champ. Hey, I did the .375 Wby section of the reloading pages just as a sign of my approval.

If you have a .30-06, .270, 7mmRemMag, etc. it is easy and safe to rebarrel to .375/.338WinMag.

You can hunt all of NA with one just fine. Get the right brass and you can trek the world with one as your only rifle.

I would never kick any .375 out of bed for eating crackers.

The lugs on opened up standard 98 Mausers do get set back, especially those done as .500 Jeffery.

There is no denying that the properly done action of a .375 Taylor will be stronger than the .375 H&H done on the same standard M98 action.

Of course it is easiest to just buy a ready made Winchester M70 in .375 H&H. Duh.

The .375 may not be as "efficient" as a shorter cartridge but it will inevitably feed better. That's what that long slope is for.


Oldsarge that's ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

But the .375 Taylor (.375/.338 WinMag) feeds just fine and dandy in a .30-06 length Mauser.

The real issue is can you find brass with the right headstamp for Africa?

If not (there doesn't seem to be any at Quality Cartridge), then this is a North American Moose, bear, elk and anything rifle. And it performs exactly like a .375 H&H ballistically and ...
It has a bit longer neck and grips the bullet more firmly than the .375 H&H...
It doesn't stretch brass as much so brass will last longer ...
More efficient, less recoil for any given performance than the .375 H&H ...
Etc.
Brass and ammo availability is the biggie, but not important at home.
I would not take my .375 Taylor to Africa.

Hey RIP,

Properly headstamped brass would be nice, but needing it for a trip across the pond is just another example of recurring AR urban legends.

It is really not an issue.

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Originally posted by Will:
Hey RIP,

Properly headstamped brass would be nice, but needing it for a trip across the pond is just another example of recurring AR urban legends.

It is really not an issue.

Will,
Being just a little guy with limited bribe money, I take no chances, and no prisoners.

I have been to the Dark Continent for all of 2 weeks, so my opinion on things African is just my 2 cents worth.

I hope you have included this advice and more in your book. I will gladly purchase and study your opus.

Thanks for all the good Information. I have never been to africa or Alaska. I hope to do both in the next coupple of years. So I not a expert I just have a lot of questions.
The purpose of this post was to get info about a light weight rifle that has a good punch. I was primarly thinking of a fast handling alaska rifle for relatively short range work.
I don't own a 375 H&H but I have shot some. They seam to be on the heavy side for this old man to carry on the tundra and in the brush all day.
Also for the past 30yr I have been using a rem 600 in 308 win w/ a Mc Millian stock and a leupold II 1X4, for whitetail in the Atchafalaya Basin. Shot are seldome over 100 yds, are often at moving targets.
So with that said I was thinking a rifle of simaliar handling caristics but in a round sutible for BB or maby africa, would be nice.
I have a win 70 in 416 ren. that I love I just don't want haul it around every day for a week or two. Most 375 H&H's I have seen offer no advantage in weight or handiness over my 416.
So thats why the 06 length action and short barrel. I think the more efficent round will lose less velocity than the 375 H&H in a short barrel. Also I have never heard of anyone having a problem with a 338 feeding, it seams like a 375/338 would only feed better.
Thanks for all the Help
Dr B

You have come to the right place. Being an old gezzer, I have no interest in heavy rifles. My solution:

CZ 550 in 7mm Mag.
Douglas: 22" barrel/chambered in 416 Taylor (bigger hole than .375 and less weight), same barrel contour as the original 7mm barrel.
McMillan AHR stock.
7.45 lbs.

For some unknown reason the recoil is mild even with 400 gr. bullets at 2400 fps. You can always download.

It is a light, quick-handling rifle, that lays the eles low.

It may someday be recognized as my most brilliant moment!

Will,

that .416 Taylor ofyours is one sweet rifle post a pic of it again for the folks here !!

On the .375 H&H V the .375 Taylor I prefer the .375 H&H, probably because i just like correctly head stamped brass...............as it for me is just right.

I have never heard of the neck of the 375 H&H case not being able to grip the bullet properly.

Instead of messing with the 375 Taylor for North America, get a 338 Win. Mag. and call it good. You'll be a lot better off if you do......

AD

the .375 H & H is King, long live the King!!

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Originally posted by duggaboybuff:
the .375 H & H is King, long live the King!!

Long live the King!
Dave

Special thanks, again, to Arrogant Al for his usual advice, again, about whatever wildcat we might be discussing, again.

And Again: My .375 H&H weighs 6.75 pounds bare (24" no. 3 Douglas, Brown Pounder stock, Pre-64 M70).

It has trekked Alaska and Botswana with me, and I have killed more game with that rifle than any other.

That is the original African Sheep Rifle.

Know what I mean?

RIP, I know this much: When the subject of wildcats comes up, truth, reality, practicality, and common-sense no longer seem to carry any meaning. This goes with the territory, and always has. So does name calling.....

AD

Allen,

Just be glad your name isn't Ray.

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Originally posted by allen day:
RIP, I know this much: When the subject of wildcats comes up, truth, reality, practicality, and common-sense no longer seem to carry any meaning. This goes with the territory, and always has. So does name calling.....

AD

Wildcatting may be a legitimate hobby but there are no holes left in the factory lineups to fill so the practicality of it is non-existant. However, for those for whom it is a game unto itself . . . play on.

I think we all understand each other here:

1. The .375 Taylor is the full ballistic eqivalent, in a .30-06 size action, of the .375 H&H.

2. Never be ashamed to stick with a .375 H&H.

Good Day!

Agreed.

I think it is a waste of time to use the Taylor when the original 375 H&H is so readily available. As far as opening up a standard Mauser to accept the big 375 round, if it was good enough for Holland and Holland that developed the round, it is good enough for me. Plenty of room to feed and eject that bad boy. You will need a competent gun smith to do the job. Competent gunsmiths should be the only ones doing work on guns anyway, the rest are parts changers.