Since I shoot only Barnes X for hunting, finding
a good copper remover has become very important.
Besides Sweets what copper remover would you recommend. Has anyone tried copper melt?

Regards,
Ahmed

The Wipe-Out products seem to be very good.

Montana Extreme and the 50-BMG stuff works better than anything I've used. And I shoot mostly Barnes TSX bullets.

I have used Copper Melt and thought it worked extremely well.

The only challenge was the price and getting enough of it easily.

If the guy who makes it could get it into the mainstream of distributors he will do well with it because it works like mad!

Literally 4 or 5 patches through my HS Precision barrel after shooting 50 rounds and it was clean.

I even tried using Sweets after only 4 or 5 patches of Copper Melt and the Sweets covered patch came out white. I think it is ammonia based with an enzyme to enhance the chemical reaction. Interesting stuff.

Works very well.

TJR

hi
i do use amoniac based solovents(from local producers I am not sure if these products are markets elsewhere utside scandinavia) to remove . the amoniac based removers are effective,but not sure if they'll damge the barrel's steel. i use Bx in 222 rem and 3006 good killing and no lead contaminatination in the meat. very good meatgeter,but no spectaulair killing power like bonded bulles or nosler PT,

good hunting
Yazid

IMO

If you are regularly cleaning your bore with a good conditioning solvent it will be pretty hard to accumulate enough copper to require one of the extra strong copper removers. That's even if you are shooting the Barnes stuff only. I don't like the idea of putting any strong solvent in my barrel unless I feel it absolutely needs it.

Moly coated bullets sometimes leave a residue in the bore that interferes with bore solvents. If you have shot some of those run a couple patches soaked in Acetone through the bore, brass brush it and then patch it dry. Clean as normal then.

I really like Shooter's Choice products. Their bore solvent has the least effect on point of impact of any I have ever tried. Some solvents move your zero temporarily and a few "fouling" shots are required to bring things back to normal.

Go to the range with a few different solvents and try shooting after you clean with them. This can be a real eye opening experience.

Sweet's 7.62 is what I typically use, but I did have good success with Barnes brand.

In my experience, there is none better than wipeout...

If you can get one application of sweets, or barnes or any other product (without amonia) to produce these types of results... I'll gladly switch back.











Any Questions?

Doc, I think I will give Montana 50 BMG a try.
what system do you use with 50 MBG i.e wet & dry patches or patch over nylon brush & then
dry patches etc. Do you use a brass bush at all?

Thanks,
Ahmed

If you're using Barnes bullets, why not use Barnes CR-10 copper remover? I do. I also use an Outers Foul-out II on occasion.

New Guy, that is impressive! Is that a foam?

I use Barnes CR-10. I hear good things about Copper Melt and Wipe Out but I haven't tried them yet.

-Bob F.

Another vote for Montana X-Treme.

Another vote for WipeOut. I've all the ones mentioned above, and to date, have not found one better OR faster than WipeOut.

Geronimo

Wipeout for the copper or metal fouling, but you will need a little something extra for powder or carbon fouling. I usually run a patch with Kroil's first to loosen the fouling then a dry patch then Wipeout. I then finish with Hoppes or something similar for the powder fouling after the Wipeout has done its job.

Do a search on "Gunsmithing" as this topic has been talked about at great length in the past on numerous threads.

RCG

Ahmed, as you can see there are plenty that like the wipeout as I do. The reason I prefer the Montana extreme brands is because of their conditioning ability. Wipe Out just cleans the heck out of the bore but does not have quite the conditioner.

Another thought is using the KG 1,2,3, and 4. Check them out. Although I think Montana and Wipe Out are better at cleaning all of the copper, the KG1 leads the pack with removing carbon. Plus, their bore conditioner is second to none.

I use continuous wet patches, 3-4 in a row over a jag. That wets the bore real well. Then I use a bronze brush, about 10 passes or more, depending on how the 3-4 wet patch appeared. Then I use another wet patch, followed by 2-3 dry patches.

I spoke with the guy at Montana Xtreme but do not remember his name. We had a long discussion about chemistry in general and I think that is where the key is. I also worked in AZ for awhile where we had 7 gunsmiths which was a wealth of information.

Montana Xtreme got it right with their chemicals and several bore scope passes have shown no apparent harmful effects whatsoever. This is true for WipeOut as well.

Be warned, better use this stuff in a well ventilated area.

FWIW, WipeOut is my second choice.

One riflesmith I know is NOT a fan of any aggressive bore cleaners and highly recommends a Shooters Choice/Kroil combo, but I found that this was not removing all of the copper, and was time consuming. (But the rifle never has printed > than 3/4" groups, even during break in)!! Because of his warranty (he also made the bbl), I use his method on that rifle.

I use Sweets. Wipe-Out is very good, but usually takes an overnight application or two to get some of my barrels really clean. Sweets is more work, but doesn't take as much time.

quote:

Originally posted by Ahmed Niazi:
New Guy, that is impressive! Is that a foam?

Ahmed - Yes, wipeout is a foam. You fill the bore and let it sit in the bore over night. When you come back the next morning, the pictures abover demonstrate the results.

PS - wipeout has no ammonia.

I shoot Barnes x Bullets and I use Barnes CR-10 to clean the Bore After each 10 or so shots. It seems like it takes several patches "as many as 20 before they come out clean". The Barnes CR-10 has a warning not to leave the Solvent in the Barrel for more then 15 minutes. I am wondering if anybody has damaged a Barrel from a copper removing solvent and what is the best way to finish after using one of these solvents. I am also curious if most people use the Brass Brushes. I am somewhat scared to use these.

quote:

Originally posted by Minuch:
The Barnes CR-10 has a warning not to leave the Solvent in the Barrel for more then 15 minutes.

That's b/c it's using ammonia to remove the copper. Yes, ammonia will eat into the steel if left long enough. How long? I don't know.

My experience with Wipe-Out is similar. However, to remove the carbon from my barrels, I use GM top-engine cleaner. Its cheap and sure does work. A friend uses brake cleaner first, then the Wipe-Out.
From what I've seen, removing some of the carbon first does help. Then I spray the Wipe-Out into the barrel and go to bed. The next day, all done. Oh, then a patch with Hoppe's Number 9. Gotta have that smell!!