From the SCI Exhibitor and Donor Newsletter listing the dates and locations of future conventions.

2010-January 20-23 Reno

2011-January 19-22 Reno

2012-To be determined-Possible sites Reno or
Las Vegas

2013-January 16-19 Dallas

Even though I am a Life Member of SCI, count me out of going if it is ever held in Dallas. What a drab, nothing to do place. That's the only reason I don't/won't attend the DSC show. Now if they held DSC somewhere else I would attend at the drop of a hat. Not likely they will move it huh?

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Reno doesn't interest me. Orlando, some mid west state or maybe Vegas.

I agree Reno is a shit hole. I like Dallas, it has a better Cabelas.

+1 on Reno as a shit hole...

I would like Vegas as airfare is cheap...

But whatever they do,Lord,put it somewhere,anywhere,the food is good!

In 2 trips to Reno I still haven't found a meal to remember.Passable maybe.At best.LOL

Dan

I wish they would look at San Antonio, good hotels, lots of other things to do (shoping,ect) if your not into the conv. The weather usually will be better than Reno! Gambling, well you could go to Retama horse track and they could take your money fast enough.

Ed

Vegas and Dallas would be nice. Seems a little redundant to have the DSC in Dallas then have SCI in Dallas a week later though.

Orlando, FL is a good suggestion. You could bring the family and send them off to Disney world while you're at SCI.

How about Phoenix, AZ? Someplace with a major aiport is all I want. Nice weather would be a plus.

I'm another life member. I find Reno ok if one adds a few days and a few activities. I like to fly into sfo and spend a day or so then drive thru Tahoe and maybe silver city. Dallas is redundant, Orlando is boring to me, but Vegas would be ok. I'm not much of a gambler but I do like the atmosphere in Reno and
vegas. They could take a novel approach and poll the members. jmo.

Dan - You must be walking around in a fog when in Reno if you can't find the good food spots. Maybe you NY'ers don't appreciate the Western flair of things palatable??

Vegas over the past 10 years or so has gotten so far down in the depths of slim, don't go there anymore. Don't have a family either, so don't need a spot to "drop them off". In Reno, stay at the Silver Legacy, borders CC and El Dorado, walk downstairs, board the bus and in a few minutes you are in the Convention. Anywhere else, it's an expensive cab ride whenever you want to get to the Convention, go eat or see anything else. Dallas, stay in a motel/hotel, drive or cab to everything you want to do or have to go. Talk about expensive and boring. Airfares are no more to Reno than it would be to most other places throughout the Country if you factor in all the extras you have to pay.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by woodmanDan:
+1 on Reno as a shit hole...

I would like Vegas as airfare is cheap...

But whatever they do,Lord,put it somewhere,anywhere,the food is good!

In 2 trips to Reno I still haven't found a meal to remember.Passable maybe.At best.LOL

Dan

Must be us NY'ers,cause I've had the same conversation with at least a dozen people on Reno's table fare.

Guess they are in a fog too.But maybe we know what a real meal tastes like

With the Culinary in my back yard every place here has a sous chef with atleast a clue.

Crappy buffets on steam tables ain't livin'...


Dan

I used to live in Reno there is good food available but rarely at the casinos. Reno is perfectly located for excellent hunting,fishing, skiing, rock climbing, and many other outdoor activities.

Dallas is far from Drab, there are absolutely tons of things to do here for all walks of life. What exactly is it you are looking to do outside of the convention?

I was talking with an exhibitor here in Dallas yesterday and he confirmed that SCI is coming to Dallas.

Dallas club is moving to a larger venue next year. He showed me the map of the Dallas convention center there will be 1500 booths. They are doing a preemptive move since SCI has decided to move to Dallas.

Can't imagine what SCI's leaders were thinking when they signed with a Dallas venue. If I were a Dallas Safari Club leader I'd be thrilled that Safari Club International is coming to town, especially if the two shows were back-to-back in the same venue. DSC can only benefit from the move.

The hundreds of SCI exhibitors who have never exhibited at DSC are going to think seriously about buying space from both clubs when they realize they won't have to haul their goods and people half way across the country. The SCI show also will bring the Weatherby Award banquet (with its 350 or so top international hunters) and the gun and knife conferences to town.

The problems with a Dallas venue mentioned above shouldn't be a problem when SCI goes there. As it does in Reno, it will have a number of "official" hotels with buses shuttling members to and from the convention site. (Dallas Safari Club does this, too, but only with the expensive hotels close to the convention center. The primary difference between Reno and Dallas will be the cost of taxis from the airport to a hotel.

As for food in Reno, stay away from the buffets (althouugh the Silver Legacy's isn't that bad). There is a small restaurant at the El Dorado downtown that offers a ribeye steak that is very good. Pasta, tomato sauce and olive oil are not my thing, but there also are a couple of Italian places my friends say are good.

Bill Quimby

The SCI part of the Reno show is way overpriced for both members and and outfitters. If I was going to fly to Dallas I would attend DSC. Reno on the other hand is a hour and a half drive.

Guess what my vote is? Hint, see "location" below! I do think Vegas would be easier for attendees to into and find lodging. I don't think there's a food issue here either, as many premier chefs and most national restaurant chains are represented here.

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The hundreds of SCI exhibitors who have never exhibited at DSC are going to think seriously about buying space from both clubs when they realize they won't have to haul their goods and people half way across the country.

There is already a waiting list for Dallas/DSC.

Perhaps the outfitters will be the ones to benefit, not having to pick-up shop and relocate.

This was my first time for Dallas ala DSC -- my thoughts are confirmed --- vastly better than Reno SCI!!!!---

Personally I do not go to this type of venue for the food or other niceties --- I go to do business with the outfitters and meet face to face with the guys I am thinking about hunting with ----

The DSC has vastly better airline connections ---way more hotels to choose from and is quite honestly more economically appealing --- the Reno SCI show has developed to big of an ego for this country boy and I will not be doing Reno anymore -- nuff said --- YEAH DSC!!!

One point that could be improved by DSC is a more economical means of getting to and from DFW airport – that would make the trip even better --

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Originally posted by Bill C:

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The hundreds of SCI exhibitors who have never exhibited at DSC are going to think seriously about buying space from both clubs when they realize they won't have to haul their goods and people half way across the country.

There is already a waiting list for Dallas/DSC.
Perhaps the outfitters will be the ones to benefit, not having to pick-up shop and relocate.

The waiting list is needed because the present venue isn't large enough. I attended the 2008 Dalla Safari Club show and all of its exhibits would fit in just one of the four rooms SCI fills in Reno.

Someone on this thread said DSC already had mde plans to move to a larger venue in 2010 to accommodate 1,500 booths as a "preemptive" strike because SCI is coming to Dallas.

That still would make it smaller than SCI's present Reno show.

If SCI is leaving Reno it must be because it also has a waiting list and can't squeeze in more exhibitors at the Reno convention center.

Bill Quimby

I have been to SCI in Reno just once and am not going back.
I have been to Dallas, and would go again for almost any reason.
And there are many other great towns and cities, but Reno is not a place to which I will return.
To little time and so much to do.
Sincerely,

ORLANDO!!!!!....it's an hour drive.

Gary
DRSS
NRA Lifer
SCI
DSC

New Orleans, not much of an airport, murder capital of the US, but the food is good (sounds like an important issue), and no hurricanes in January.

I haven't missed an SCI convention since 1996. We did some in Vegas back then and I was not impressed. SCI is just another show in Vegas, whereas we are THE show in Reno and make their Winter season. I have no clue why Dallas was selected and it makes zero sense to me. There is good food in Reno, just ask, and bypass casino food. And never forget, the taxi drivers are congenial in Reno and rude in Vegas!

BACK TO RENO!!

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
... the taxi drivers are congenial in Reno ...

That is a fact - more so than anywhere I'd guess! There folks are superb and friendly and we get thanked for coming to Reno by each and every cab driver, every time, every year. I appreciate that.

Regarding where it's held; I really don't care as long as there is enough of everything at an affordable price and acceptable standard. And please keep it in one place. The organizers need to remember that we (exibitors) have to lug loads of stuff everywhere if the venue is moved around. Unless they obviously want the exibitors to rent everything (expensive) from the approved agents everytime who I assume they get a cut from.

can someone please explain to me why they hell they would pick dallas. DSC is already there at about the same time. would this just be an attempt to undermine dsc??

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Originally posted by butchloc:
can someone please explain to me why they hell they would pick dallas. DSC is already there at about the same time. would this just be an attempt to undermine dsc??

Maybe it is an attempt to undermine DSC but that could in fact backfire on SCI. It could very well result in more exhibitors making the DSC show for reasons mentioned above and attendees choosing the DSC show rather than be fleeced by SCI. Of course I guess it could have the opposite effect. We'll see.

I think if I had to choose one over the other in Dallas it would be DSC simply because of the cost to attend each day. I would go back to Reno again but only because we can make a ski trip out of it. How's the golf in Vegas in January?

The SCI Convention, a lot of you seem to forget, is a "Fundraiser Function, first and foremost!! The fact that we get to experience the greatest gathering of Worldwide hunters, are able to visit with the premier sponsers of our interests, "the outfitters", see old friends and make a lot of new ones etc. is just the icing on the cake.

With the antis continuing to raise zillons of dollars each year, "funraising" is of major importance if we want to keep doing the things we cherish so much. I look at the $260.00 fee to participate in the SCI Convention, if you will, as just doing my part to make sure the organization has the funds to continue the fight. It takes a major effort and even more money to continue the fight against those that would like to shut us down. So I guess I don't see it as a "fleecing" as some here put it, but a positive step in the right direction. If all you care about is "how cheap" you can go and do something, more power to you. But when you don't have anywhere to go hunt, because you were too cheap to help out, you will have only yourselves to blame.

Just an observation, not picking on anyone, but it seems most of the people here who don't like Reno as a Convention site are from the Eastern part of our great Country. Maybe we out West, just have a different prespective of what's good and bad?

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Sorry to ruffle your feather but I'm just calling it as I see it and echoing other's comments who choose Dallas over Reno. SCI is certainly fundraising and the more power to them. I pay my dues, go to my local banquet and buy my raffle tickets when there. I did the same at Reno last year but the daily rate stuck me as too high and we got done what we needed done quicker and spent one more day skiing and one less day on the floor of the show. They didn't miss me and I doubt they will miss me this year. I went to Dallas instead, met with who I needed to meet with, saw some good friends and made some more.

I guess I'm just a cheap bastard but I wonder how many people will choose the cheaper week when these shows are back to back.

I've been to DSC for the last 5 years, live in Dallas, am a member of DSC and take the whole week off to volunteer during the convention. I've never been to SCI but have had no ill feelings toward them until now.

I really hate to see this become a competition for members and venues and dates. It hurts both organizations and hunters in general.

At least it won't be every year that they are in the same city.

There is no question that rates at Reno are designed to "fleece" attendees. You can call this fundraising if you want, but their practices border on extortion. I have no desire to attend a SCI convention until their practices change. I'm sure they won't miss me either, but I am not alone in this view.

I love the DSC show, and enjoy attending each year. I get my money's worth from the daily fees, and have no problem kicking in for raffle tickets. auction items, membership, etc. To me, that is fundraising. I sincerely question how much of the SCI proceeds go towards award ceremonies and courting the high rollers. That is not where I want my hunting dollars to go.

DSC split from SCI over major philosophical differences. I am far more alligned with DSC and don't have any interest in the nonsense that SCI has become.

Bill

It is harder for easterners to get to Reno, but that is only a small part of the difference between the two shows. To me Reno is a bit more stuffy. Dallas also does the banquet thing with the over priced "rubber chicken". Not bragging but the AR thing is much better in Dallas than Reno, and I think this adds to the experience the people that post here enjoy. I mean stuff 60 or 70 people in a small reoom like we do at the Comfort Inn and you just have to get to know one another better when you are butt to belly.

Just noticed on another thread,"Economy and DSC" I think, posted by Jeffh, that there were a lot of kids at the DSC show. Thanks for the warning. This is not the case at SCI thank God. I have nothing against children but they certainly don't fit in this type of Show atmosphere. If I want to be around whinning , screaming kids, strollers jamming the aisles, rugrats spilling drinks and sticky candy everywhere I'll go to Walmart or a local mall. Thanks SCI for your thougtfullness on this issue.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Just noticed on another thread,"Economy and DSC" I think, posted by Jeffh, that there were a lot of kids at the DSC show. Thanks for the warning. This is not the case at SCI thank God. I have nothing against children but they certainly don't fit in this type of Show atmosphere. If I want to be around whinning , screaming kids, strollers jamming the aisles, rugrats spilling drinks and sticky candy everywhere I'll go to Walmart or a local mall. Thanks SCI for your thougtfullness on this issue.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

I take my daughters to DSC where they behave well, meet the people I hunt with, and get interested in hunting themselves. I do not see the benefit to keeping them out of it.

I dodge as many adults as kids when walking around. Of course, I try to avoid Saturday which is the most-crowded day.

Personally, I love to see the kids there. I like to watch their eyes get big and their fingers point at all the big game around. It reminds me of my youth and what I dreamed of doing one day. My parents weren't hunters and their parents weren't either. But that didn't stop me. I also find it interesting to see what the kids find fascinating. And they aren't afraid to ask questions that we might be intimidated to ask.
Now kids in a WalMart are another story. Heck, I cry and bitch when I have to in there also.