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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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Originally posted by Markschu:
I was leaning toward Zim, but I've always heard such wonderful things about Selous, I am willing to pay the Tanzania premium if you experts feel its worth it.

If you have the time, take a look at a 28 day split hunt which involves both the Selous and a Masailand concession.

By taking this option you will have the possibility of taking both southern and northern species in one outing; unique to TZ and nowhere else in Africa would you experience a similar situation.
Run a check on the listed species available and if you will be at the convention, pay the TZ outfitters (the reputable ones) a visit.

Be forewarned that charter costs are not a joke.

. This would be my suggestion, it would be a great adventure.

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
If you head to TZ , Replace the selous with a rungwa or western area - moyowosi, Ugalla , lukwati and select a good maasailand area - there are only few good ones left!

Good Advice my friend! Lake Rukwa GR too, not a bad choice either.

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Originally posted by Jerry Huffaker:

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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Originally posted by Markschu:
I was leaning toward Zim, but I've always heard such wonderful things about Selous, I am willing to pay the Tanzania premium if you experts feel its worth it.

If you have the time, take a look at a 28 day split hunt which involves both the Selous and a Masailand concession.

By taking this option you will have the possibility of taking both southern and northern species in one outing; unique to TZ and nowhere else in Africa would you experience a similar situation.
Run a check on the listed species available and if you will be at the convention, pay the TZ outfitters (the reputable ones) a visit.

Be forewarned that charter costs are not a joke.

. This would be my suggestion, it would be a great adventure.

The problem with the Selous these days is the rampant amount of poaching taking place there. Until that is under control...just not a wise ele destination.

I would heed Bwanamich's and Aaron Neilson's advice there. Their suggestions would be a great safari.

Where too go for a big safari?

For the type of safari you are talking about, the first place to go is to the BANK!

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If you read reports from Safari-lawyer you will see that certain areas in Zim are as good as anywhere at a more reasonable price. If a good elephant is important then Zim is better due to the massive poaching problems in Tz.Theirry Labat who hunts guides Will is as good as they get and will give you a hunt of a lifetime.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
But do you get 3 buffalo anywhere but Tanzania?

Sure. I killed 4 buff on my last trip to the Save. All you need is quota and a check book.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by lavaca:
But do you get 3 buffalo anywhere but Tanzania?

Sure. I killed 4 buff on my last trip to the Save. All you need is quota and a check book.

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Quota (legal right) and checkbook applies to nearly everything else in life too.

Save would give as good a safari as any place else.

Mike

My Save hunts have been better than ANY of my TZ hunts.

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My Save hunts have been better than ANY of my TZ hunts.

Behind the fence everything is possible...we are Hunters or Collectors !

Over 1 million acres that has (at most) a cattle fence to keep cattle OUT is not high fenced in my book. Most of it has no fence as the wire that was once there has been stolen. In 4 safaris there, the only high fences I have seen were around vegetable gardens. The only other fences I have seen were around houses. The Save is every bit as fair chase as TZ.

Have you been there?

I agree with you Larry, to call someone who has hunted the Save a collector and not a hunter is a bit harsh and fairly ignorant.

Right you are Neil which is why I asked if he had ever been there.

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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

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My Save hunts have been better than ANY of my TZ hunts.

Behind the fence everything is possible...we are Hunters or Collectors !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhzplyFDEhM

If the Save is a fenced operation I need to know why my Kudu was not realized over 2 safaris. Now I know that Leon Duplessis at Save Safaris was holding it for higher profile clients.

Mike

All in all I have a very good friend that hunts Moz..omn their concession which is around 850,000 ac---he says he hunts buffalo on about 8500- 10,000 ac of it....because.....that's where they are. I think we carry the high fence thing too far here. I have hunted both high fence ranch, and open concession, and found both a delight and a challenge. Sayin the Save is not fair chase is a bunch of bull!

Ed

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Originally posted by 505ED:
All in all I have a very good friend that hunts Moz..omn their concession which is around 850,000 ac---he says he hunts buffalo on about 8500- 10,000 ac of it....because.....that's where they are. I think we carry the high fence thing too far here. I have hunted both high fence ranch, and open concession, and found both a delight and a challenge. Sayin the Save is not fair chase is a bunch of bull!

Ed

Thanks Ed..agreed..curious..which area in Moz?

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Originally posted by JTEX:



Damn I wish I had a rich Uncle.....or a rich anything for that matter....


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I have a rich ex-wife. Does that count?

I have hunted the Masailand, Southern Tanzania, the Luwangwa, Zim's Forestry land, Zim's Safari Concession land, and the Save.

They really didn't seem that different as far as difficulty of hunting, and all seemed pretty fair chase to me.

I will also note on none of them did I get everything I wanted to- it is hunting after all... In fact, I have batted about .500 on geting my primary goal animal on all the hunts combined. (Admittedly, there were some circumstances involved in that.)

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I have a rich ex-wife. Does that count? Big Grin

If she still has a soft spot for you she might just part with something to occasionally remember you by; otherwise she's just the ex-wife

All the more reason not to make her an "ex-wife" unless you have pictures or something..

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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

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My Save hunts have been better than ANY of my TZ hunts.

Behind the fence everything is possible...we are Hunters or Collectors !

Oh boy, you just said something very stupid Bwana Dude.

Has anyone hunted the Natron area and the Bubye?
Can you offer comments on the hunting and the differences?

I am particularly interested in the Natron area as I have not been there yet.

Gentlemen:

As many of you know, all areas in Tanzania's Masailand are not equal. For big buffalo, the areas around Tarangire Park are the best, especially after the short rains start, usually in November. This may be a consideration for those planning to travel to the Selous or a western area for the final 14 days of the safari. If one hunts in November or later, then you risk the chance of running into the rains in the western or southern areas.

With the extension of the season until March 15, the argument could be made to do the entire 21+ day safari in Masailand, that is, if sable, roan and sitatunga are not on the list.

One advantage of some of the western areas of Tanzania is the availability of sitatunga which are more local but can be hunted in the areas from Lake Burigi Game Reserve south to Luganzo GCA or the old Gombe GCA which are both situated along the Malagarasi River.

Given all this, I think two safaris of 21 days one after the short rains begin in Masailand and one in August-September in the west would be the best.

All are great options!

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Good Advice my friend! Lake Rukwa GR too, not a bad choice either.

Good leopard, good buffalo, good lion, good plains game. Pretty hard to beat. Not so much on the elephant.

Brett

Agreed Tz is a top hunting destination yet elephants are no longer of any size due to the excessive poaching and from what I understand most of the lions shot in Tz last year did not make the 6 year minimum requirement. Without doubt Zimbabwe has some very good areas and will definitely give you your best bang for buck if you want he big 4. Look at the posts of hunts done by safari lawyer above. You will not find better hunting anywhere for the cost, along with this are some very good safari camps. Like in all countries in Africa there are some excellent areas/operators and there are many not so good . Do your homework and you will have a great hunt since you are fortunate to look at all options financially. Good luck.

Hunt the best of Zimbabwe and Zambia. Two diverse countries offering an amazing array of species including swamp species.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Hunt the best of Zimbabwe and Zambia. Two diverse countries offering an amazing array of species including swamp species.

Probably the best advice!!!! Do 15 days in Zim followed by 15 days in Zam. That would be some kind of a hunt? Obviousley finance permitting!