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Wondering about shooting sticks on my upcoming first safari....

Scenario:

The PH sets me up for a shot on a kudu..

He unfolds the shooting sticks, I put my rifle on the sticks, and he puts his fingers into his ears...

then...

#1 I hold the forearm with my left hand, and when I fire, the muzzle rise causes the sticks to fall over, meaning that a quick followup shot will have to be offhand.

or...

#2 I hold the sticks with my left hand, and when I fire, the muzzle rise leaves me with the sticks in my left hand, and the rifle in my right hand, totally preventing a followup shot.

So, which is it - #1, #2, or none-of-the-above?

Rick.

 
Posts: 1099 | Location: Apex, NC, US | Registered: 09 November 2001Reply With Quote
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Rick the trick is to hold your rifle at the point where it meets the sticks. You lean into the sticks sos unless you are shooting Saeeds .577 the recoil isnt going to shove you back to much.

Thats why I like the "Safari Sticks". They have some bend in them and when you lean into them they flex a bit so's there is some counter-pressure to your hold. With your non-trigger hand hold the rifle stock in a "circular manner" right at the point before the stock meets the sticks.

Keeping a nice tight hold, with weight forward, and shooting elbow high, makes for a nice system. I love shooting off of sticks and feel comfortable with my safari sticks out to about 300 yrds.....good luck..........J

 
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Rick: I'm sure there are multiple ways of handling shooting sticks. I know I felt awkward the first time I tried it. Just make sure the first time you try it is not in Africa. The first time I used sticks was right here in Winston Salem. I bought a good pair and practiced with them at the range every chance I got. I practiced at multiple ranges and different size targets. I found I tended to shoot higher from sticks than I do sitting at the bench so I adjusted my zero to compensate for this when I went to Africa. Try several different ways of holding rifle/sticks until you find something you are comfortable with and with which you can reproduce reasonable accuracy. Good luck on your hunt. Alan.

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Rick,

I don't know if it is the "right way", but I hold the forend of the rifle. I have also grabbed the left fork of the stick and secured the rifle in the "V" with my thumb, which seems to work okay too. I think whatever feels best and seems most stable for you is the right way to go. Many times, after your initial shot, the PH will grab the sticks, ready to reposition them in case a follow-up is needed. Any way you do it, the sticks could get in the way of a fast follow-up. You should make some and practice using them before your hunt.

 
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Where do you get or how do you make shooting sticks? What type of wood is used? How do you bind them together?
 
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you need 2 pieces of hardwood sanded smooth that measure 72"x1"x1". dont use something that might splinter or warp. measure 6" down from one end on both pieces and drill a 1/4" hole. use a bolt a couple of washers and a hex nut and tighten in up firm, then cut the end of the bolt off so its flush with the nut. dont use a wing nut because it will hang up un something. thats all there is to it.
 
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Hi Rick,

When working with clients, either I or my tracker will hold the sticks to counter the problem you have mentioned or will catch the sticks after the shot...I prefer to have hte tracker hold the sticks so that I can focus on the animal and watch hte reaction to the shot so as to make an instant call as to what happens next.

I often use sticks for my own hunting and and let them fall away for the follow up shot from the off-hand position.

Sticks are easily fashioned to two styles; either long or short. Short ones for use while sitting are made from 1/2" dowel rods, longs ones are made from local hard wood saplings are measure about 6 ft. Both types are joined together about 4-6" from teh top using a section of auto tyre inner tube.

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Saeed,

is your video of Walter and the shooting sticks scene on the site? it would clearly show the world the best use of shooting sticks.

ep

 
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I also was apprehensive about shooting sticks and like Alan, I practiced before I went over to Africa with some of the collapsible sticks that were pretty worthless actually. Once I got over there though, my PH used solid wood sticka and the were great. I just held my left arm fully extended and wrapped my fingers around them and never missed! I've become a believer in them. Just get yourself some wooden ones here, tie them with a rubber inner tube and pratice.
 
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Which configuration of shooting sticks do most of you use? A two stick 'v', or a three stick 'tripod'? From the video and pictures I've seen, it appears that both are somewhat common...

Michael

 
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I used a tripod from stoney point last year in Poland, it worked great: just grab one of the legs with your left hand which holds the rifle via the sling attachment (as in Coopers Art of the rifle) and you get a really good support. Actually one can shoot standing, kneeling, sitting or even prone, no problem.
Thing is, it's no lightweight.
So I bought the same stuff but with two legs only, and this works: can be put at any height, it is light, tough, a bit noisy but nothing unbearable, and it gives a good support: a good compromise.
Olivier
 
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I refused to use sticks. I don't use them in the US, and I won't use them in Africa. To me it's kind of like shooting a whitetail from sandbags. It takes some of the challenge and thus some of the fun out of it for me.

But that's just me.

 
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How exactly do you tie the inner tube around these sticks?
 
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I found that a pair of replacement broom handles worked fine...the local hardware store had them for about $5 each. Bought two of those, and I use the rubber bands that come around bunches of broccoli to hold them together. That works for a while...then the bands stretch out. I have now lashed them together with nylon twine....now when I set up the sticks the twine pulls tighter and makes the sticks steadier. Sounds terribly complicated, doesn't it? Actually, it took about 15 minutes to do. feel free to email me and I'll try to come up with a clearer explanation....

jeff

 
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I have used the Stony Point standup bipod on all my safaris including two buffalo hunts, works better than sticks and is faster to use. Every PH who has tried the bipod has wanted it, so every safari I take means buying a new bipod. The bipod is lighter for the trackers or PH to carry also.
 
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There is no correct technique nor best type of sticks. Use them or don't, whatever works.
Just for laughs, here I am in Botswana. I was just posing, after the sticks worked so well for me. I also like to take the hat off and stick it in the crotch of the sticks and rest my hand holding the forearm of the rifle on top of that. This is a light weight 375 H&H on a Pre-64 Win.M70:

Well, if that doesn't work, scroll to the bottom of this page. You will also find the world's largest termite mound. Ever seen one that beat that? Click below:

http://raberry0.tripod.com/RonsHuntingPage/id9.html

Hey! The big picture above works ...sometimes... if you click on the address to the web page and then go back to the forum.

If you can view the big picture you will more easily see that if I pulled the trigger from this position, the scope would knock my hat off. See anything else that might inflict pain upon me if I pulled the trigger?
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If you use some heavier rubber, you can also quickly regulate the height from which you rest.Just roll the rubber band down to the preffered height keeping the sticks together then open them up.
 
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Originally posted by 500grains:
I refused to use sticks. I don't use them in the US, and I won't use them in Africa. To me it's kind of like shooting a whitetail from sandbags. It takes some of the challenge and thus some of the fun out of it for me.

But that's just me.


To each his own, but how much challenge do you need?

Do you shoot from sitting when you could be prone? Do you shoot offhand when you could sit?

Would you not use a rock or a backpack as a rest?

How shaky do you need to be to enjoy the challenge?

 
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