Anadarko hit badly in Mozambique..

23 February 2019, 18:05

About time the west do something collectively against this cancer that has spread to Africa..?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...arko-mozambique-site

23 February 2019, 19:17

Poyntman

Islamic extremism thrives in areas with an abundance of young, uneducated young men with little to no direction in life. They sell them a false promise and give them false direction.
Africa has all the above in vast quantity.

23 February 2019, 20:16

DLS

I would imagine the petroleum companies will employ private contractors to provide security. Future attacks could be met with impressive defensive firepower. With the investment they’re bringing to Moz, I would expect they’d be given fairly free reign.

23 February 2019, 21:43

tsibindi

An organization like "Executive Outcomes" could handle the problem I would imagine.

23 February 2019, 22:13

Use Enough Gun

24 February 2019, 17:43

ijl

Not sure "the West", such as it may be, is a solution to the world's ills. This is an in-house problem, and as has been pointed out, PMCs are probably the solution.

quote:
Originally posted by Pondoro:
About time the west do something collectively against this cancer that has spread to Africa..?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...arko-mozambique-site

24 February 2019, 18:44

Saeed

The West has blood on their hands!

If it was not for the West sticking their noses into other countries’ business when these countries were dealing with these animals, it would never has come to this.

They kept screaming HUMAN RIGHTS!

How the hell can anyone support the human rights of those whose sole purpose in life is to take yours away!

24 February 2019, 18:51

Poyntman

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
The West has blood on their hands!

If it was not for the West sticking their noses into other countries’ business when these countries were dealing with these animals, it would never has come to this.

They kept screaming HUMAN RIGHTS!

How the hell can anyone support the human rights of those whose sole purpose in life is to take yours away!

Unfortunately, there's a lot of truth to this..it takes an "iron fist" to deal with these types of people and the West ( or at least the Liberals) don't have the stomach for it.

24 February 2019, 20:05

StormsGSP

Ive spent a lot of time in that corner of the world, even before this nonsense it was a rough and raw place. That said, incredibly beautiful and wild.

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"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. -Henry David Thoreau, Walden

26 February 2019, 16:43

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Pondoro:
About time the west do something collectively against this cancer that has spread to Africa..?

The world was a better place when the sun never set on the British Empire.

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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.

26 February 2019, 17:15

DCS Member

Dr. Easter,

I agree to a certain extent. Was Africa a failure? Some industrialists did bring it forward, but also took advantage of the land. Eventually after ceding control, it gradually went to crap. We are seeing some of this now decades after the change.

Thank goodness for the operators keeping the safari industry alive.

As politicians have asked “Are you better now than you were X years ago?” Everyone will have a different answer depending on who they believe and side with. Is the Arabian peninsula better off now, after our involvement in developing their natural resources?

I don’t intend this to be a PF comment, but just food for thought.

26 February 2019, 18:00

ledvm

About everything peaks at some point in time. I believe civilization, as we know it, peaked sometime after WWII and prior to the millennium. The exact peak could be argued...but I firmly believe we are on the descending leg of the curve.

26 February 2019, 19:37

Pondoro

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Pondoro:
About time the west do something collectively against this cancer that has spread to Africa..?

The world was a better place when the sun never set on the British Empire.

100% Lane..

26 February 2019, 20:55

DCS Member

Ledvm and Pondoro,

Agreed. With the Burkina Faso post in this forum, where does the USA belong? We have a S show trying to take care of our own country. I’m happy we are on the right track now, but should we always look over our shoulder?

26 February 2019, 20:59

DCS Member

That being said, I’d love to hunt in Africa again. Moz was an interesting destination. Angola, if they ever open fully would be great. Land mines do worry me, but I hope game has survived.

26 February 2019, 21:34

ALF

What we fought against starting in the late 60's has now become reality. Today both China and Modern Russia have gained and are gaining ground in formerly contested battle ground states. Angola, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Zambia !

Angola officially hosted the last Cold war Battle in the form of the Famous Battle of Cuito Cuanavale which was fought between August 1987 and March 1988. Many of us were participants in Operation Modular, Hooper, Packer and Displace.

What was important to US strategic interests during the cold war fell away with the fall of the Berlin wall and subsequently keeping China and Russia out of Africa was no longer important.

The Angolan war was a direct consequence of the US losing a foothold in Southern Africa when they kicked out of Zaire.

Rhodesia was sold down the creek by South Africa in a deal for short lived South African preservation.

With the USA no longer having a interest in Southern Africa Russia and China have simply stepped into the void !

26 February 2019, 22:01

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by ALF:
What we fought against starting in the late 60's has now become reality. Today both China and Modern Russia have gained and are gaining ground in formerly contested battle ground states. Angola, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Zambia !

Angola officially hosted the last Cold war Battle in the form of the Famous Battle of Cuito Cuanavale which was fought between August 1987 and March 1988. Many of us were participants in Operation Modular, Hooper, Packer and Displace.

What was important to US strategic interests during the cold war fell away with the fall of the Berlin wall and subsequently keeping China and Russia out of Africa was no longer important.

The Angolan war was a direct consequence of the US losing a foothold in Southern Africa when they kicked out of Zaire.

Rhodesia was sold down the creek by South Africa in a deal for short lived South African preservation.

With the USA no longer having a interest in Southern Africa Russia and China have simply stepped into the void !

26 February 2019, 22:03

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by DCS Member:
Ledvm and Pondoro,

Agreed. With the Burkina Faso post in this forum, where does the USA belong? We have a S show trying to take care of our own country. I’m happy we are on the right track now, but should we always look over our shoulder?

The problem with the USA today getting involved in any conflict of length is the division within our own country.

One party may be in power and get it kicked off to a good start only to loose the next election and have the whole process discontinued.

It takes long-term continuity to make these things work and for a while...the USA cannot provide that...thus we certainly shouldn't be the chief in charge of any such conflict.

I am sad to write this post.

26 February 2019, 22:05

Lamar

let them handle it then.

26 February 2019, 22:18

DCS Member

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by DCS Member:
Ledvm and Pondoro,

Agreed. With the Burkina Faso post in this forum, where does the USA belong? We have a S show trying to take care of our own country. I’m happy we are on the right track now, but should we always look over our shoulder?

The problem with the USA today getting involved in any conflict of length is the division within our own country.

One party may be in power and get it kicked off to a good start only to loose the next election and have the whole process discontinued.

It takes long-term continuity to make these things work and for a while...the USA cannot provide that...thus we certainly shouldn't be the chief in charge of any such conflict.

I am sad to write this post.

I agree completely. However, holes have been dug in the past. I wish we could take care of our own. CSpan shows much.

26 February 2019, 22:44

ledvm

The world was also a better place when the USA was more sane...like in the 1950's.

26 February 2019, 22:54

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
The world was also a better place when the USA was more sane...like in the 1950's.

Refuted by all economic data. World has done pretty well since 1950s.

https://ourworldindata.org/gra...mark?time=1953..2016

Mike

27 February 2019, 00:05

Jason P

quote:
Originally posted by Lamar:
let them handle it then.

We cannot do this. Otherwise, Saeed would by on here crying that the US does not stand up to anyone.

You see, like most of his "political" posts, everything the US does is wrong and nothing that his fellow Arab's do is incorrect.

Simply a matter of fact.....

27 February 2019, 04:09

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
The world was also a better place when the USA was more sane...like in the 1950's.

Refuted by all economic data. World has done pretty well since 1950s.

https://ourworldindata.org/gra...mark?time=1953..2016

Mike

Most all of the parameters I measure good in the USA/world by...cannot be bought with money.

27 February 2019, 04:56

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
The world was also a better place when the USA was more sane...like in the 1950's.

Refuted by all economic data. World has done pretty well since 1950s.

https://ourworldindata.org/gra...mark?time=1953..2016

Mike

Most all of the parameters I measure good in the USA/world by...cannot be bought with money.

Great but it’s sounds like a anti hunter animal rights activist subjective view when one tries to explain to them hunting $$$ for killing animals is actually good for animals in the aggregate. Their response always is everything is not about money.

I like to keep it simple and view everything on objective data.

Mike

27 February 2019, 05:18

ledvm

Were there wild black rhino in the Zambezi Valley, Selous, and many other places up through 1980?

27 February 2019, 11:08

Pondoro

I am all for heavy american involvement in Africa..

27 February 2019, 20:20

ledvm

I am as well. I just wished we were poised to actually do some "real" good.

27 February 2019, 21:46

talentrec

On a lighter note, when I first glanced at the title on this, I thought it said "Sharknado Badly Hits Mozambique."

28 February 2019, 00:42

Charles_Helm

quote:
Originally posted by talentrec:
On a lighter note, when I first glanced at the title on this, I thought it said "Sharknado Badly Hits Mozambique."

28 February 2019, 00:58

376 steyr

I'm thinking that what really brings these young men with "no future" to fight for these extremist groups is the lie that promises them 72 virgins in heaven if the die in combat. If you are never going to have anything then that might be worth your life.

28 February 2019, 02:07

Beretta682E

I am hunting Moz with Mokore in Nov.

Just firmed up dates today.

Mike

28 February 2019, 21:14

DLS

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Were there wild black rhino in the Zambezi Valley, Selous, and many other places up through 1980?

Lane, I can vouch for there being Black Rhinos in Charara, not very far from the Zambezi Valley, in 1986. We saw 5 different Black Rhinos, (including a cow, calf and bull together) during a 14 day safari in 1986.

Saw lots of rhino tracks also, leading up from the Charara River, going back up into the Hills after drinking at night.

I wonder if any are left?

28 February 2019, 21:40

Bud Meadows

quote:
Originally posted by 376 steyr:
I'm thinking that what really brings these young men with "no future" to fight for these extremist groups is the lie that promises them 72 virgins in heaven if the die in combat. If you are never going to have anything then that might be worth your life.

Reminds me of an old joke:
A jihadi blows himself up with a bomb vest and appears at the gates of Heaven. As he's standing there, Thomas Jefferson walks up to him and kicks him square in the balls. As soon as he recovers from that kick, George Washington walks up to him and hits him over the head with a giant club. When he starts crying and asking where are his 72 Virgins, God corrects him and says "That's 72 Virginians, and you've still got 70 more waiting their turn with you".

01 March 2019, 03:26

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by DLS:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Were there wild black rhino in the Zambezi Valley, Selous, and many other places up through 1980?

Lane, I can vouch for there being Black Rhinos in Charara, not very far from the Zambezi Valley, in 1986. We saw 5 different Black Rhinos, (including a cow, calf and bull together) during a 14 day safari in 1986.

Saw lots of rhino tracks also, leading up from the Charara River, going back up into the Hills after drinking at night.

I wonder if any are left?

Thank you sir.

The answer to my question is yes, of course there were. Chewore had plenty in the early 80’s. My point was to give Beretta objective data of deterioration. He didn’t bite as hew knew where I was going.

There were a slight few left in the Selous until 2003-06 era.