I have yet to do any of that.
I will confess to using horses to get into the back country so I don't get run over by some moron on a four wheeler, or shot by some geek road hunter.

Rich
DRSS

All I am trying to get at, is that ethics are Personal ideas/concepts/beliefs, and what a person in Idaho may feel as being a perfectly ethical and accepted way of doing something, a person in say Maine or Kansas might deem totally detestable.

It can't be a "One Size Fits All" set up.

That is more especially true if a person has not experienced that type of hunt or method before.

I myself don't agree with shooting animals inside small pens, except livestock being processed for the table, and I certainly do not consider it a form of hunting, even if it is a "wild" animal that is in that pen.

But, if it is legal and the person doing it can live with their decision, then more power to them, I just don't view it as hunting or that individual as a hunter.

My whole problem with the "Ethics" card is that there is the infinite amount of hair splitting involved.

As the example I have given about many Texans I have talked to about hunting bears over bait.

Many think it is totally deplorable, while at the same time have no problem setting in a box blind a measured distance from a timed or even remote controlled feeder and pot shooting a deer.

What I can not get anyone to explain to me is what the difference is, it is no different doing either of the above or shooting a lion or leopard off of a bait or a kudu or pronghorn near a waterhole.

We are predators and as with any other predator we are or will stack everything we can in our favor to ensure success.

My problem is that someone will always have a different determination of what is or is not ethical to Them, yet they want to force those beliefs on the masses.

That is wrong in my book.

I have to disagree. Everyone here pretty much knows "Right" from "Wrong".

1. cheating on your wife is _ _ _ _ _..
2. Lying is _ _ _ _ _.
3. Stealing is _ _ _ _ _.

I think ethical VS legal comes from people who need to kill something in order to have a successful shooting experience.
You live in town, you're out of shape, and you only have a few days to kill something. So you stack the deck; a little, or a lot.
It's an issue with time management.
For me, it is demeaning to the animal. We value things inversely proportional to the time and $$$ it takes to acquire them. It's why guys hardly ever marry women they have sex with on the first encounter. They do marry the woman who comes to the altar a virgin.

Rich
DRSS

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Legalities are cut and dried, ethics are INDIVIDUAL CONCEPTS, that vary from person to person and region to region.

A person in one location a county, a state, a country or a continent away should not be able to dictate what is ethical in another totally unrelated region.

PERFECT! Folks in one location should not have any say over what are acceptable and traditional hunting methods in another area. It also just seems incredibly self righteous and pompous for someone to believe that they know what is ETHICAL for someone literally thousands of miles away and from a completely different culture.

Mark

Laws and ethics have different purposes. Laws are to protect and preserve our wildlife. Ethics is a personal matter of something we as individuals feel is right or wrong. As long as we are not damaging the sustainability of a species in a particular area the laws are doing their purpose.

The main point to this entire debate we need to stick together as a group to preserve our sport. We can disagree with anything and choose not to participate in it but we don't need to condemn those who do.

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Originally posted by coonhunter:
Laws and ethics have different purposes. Laws are to protect and preserve our wildlife. Ethics is a personal matter of something we as individuals feel is right or wrong. As long as we are not damaging the sustainability of a species in a particular area the laws are doing their purpose.

The main point to this entire debate we need to stick together as a group to preserve our sport. We can disagree with anything and choose not to participate in it but we don't need to condemn those who do.

As I said earlier, there is a vast difference in condemning the person versus condemning the action that the person does.

465h&H