Hows the recoil on a 416 remington magnum. According to the beartooth site it has about 63 foot pounds compared to the 338 which has around 37 foot pounds. thats in an 8 pound rifle. how does the 416 compare to the 458 win mag.

It is hard to answer that question, as recoil is a individual thing with a lot of varibles involved....

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
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I have shot both Rem 700 in 416 Rem and Model 70 458 side by side and think they are similar.

For me both are at the level where some compromise has to be made. That is I can't just shoot one the way I do a 270 or 375.

However, neither one is into the big time "head jolting" recoil.

Mike

For me, it's tolerable. I can think of many things I'd rather have done to me than subject myself to 60+ ft-lbs of recoil, but you have to pay the price to get those kind of ballistics. I do. My Ruger No1 416 Rem Mag is quite the little kicker. It weighs in at a hair less than 9 lbs without a scope, and 9 3/4 lbs with. With full power 400 gr. loads, it comes back pretty hard. If Ruger put a better recoil pad on their rifles, it would be alot better. I will probably get a Pachmyr pad this summer. Before I got my 416, the largest caliber I'd ever shot was a 300 Mag. The recoil is in no way comparable. I have also shot my friend's 375 H&H, and it is noticeably less. I can shot it pretty well, the first group I fired with the scope was 1.75" @ 100y. I wouldn't want to shoot it more than 10-15 times a day though, that would probably lead to flinching, and a empty wallet. I have never shot a 458 yet, so I can't compare the two.

What is the average weight for a iron sighted 416 Remington?

Maybe you have already found a recoil calculator...if not try this one http://huntamerica.com/recoil_calculator/

I believe the two are very similar in recoil. I have shot each under different circumstances and can't really tell the difference. I am sure there is a difference but it is marginal.

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Wendell Reich

Hunter's Quest International
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I have not shot a .458 win mag yet although I was told the recoil of a .458 with 500 gr bullets would make my .416 Rigby with 410 grainers feel like a rimfire. I would think that is an exageration though. I have no trouble shooting my .416 Rigby off the shoulder however sitting down over a bench is a different story, I put the end of a soft gun bag over my shoulder when shooting groups. And I woulod not go out of my way to shoot rabbits out of the ute window like my friend and I did when we first bought our cz .416 Rigby's. We both fired a handfull of shots at some rabbits from my land cruiser window, and as we each took it in turns of having shots we were commenting how the recoil was not that bad

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tanoose:
Hi Tanoose,
I did a bunch of Big Bore comparisons and the information is on my website at www.470mbogo.com. Recoil is one of the comparisons on the site. Hope it will help you out.

470 Mbogo

Tanoose,

Mike375 is right, you are unlikely to notice that much difference in recoil between these two - at least I cannot.

I shoot quite a bit of these calibers off the bench, and after a few rounds, it does not seem to bother me too much.

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saeed@ emirates.net.ae

www.accuratereloading.com

Foot-pounds of muzzle energy are foot-pounds of recoil. So the 416's and 458 Win should be the same (~5100 ft-lbs).

A straight stock lessens the effect; for me a lot. 470 Mbogo put me onto the Pachmayr Triple Mag pad, and it does help.

In identical Model 70 rifles, I find the .458 Win shoots softer than the .416 Rem, using 450 gr. bullets @ 2,250 and 400 gr. bullets @ 2,400, respectively. With 500 grain bullets, the .458 Win gets the nod but not by much.

[This message has been edited by Nickudu (edited 05-19-2002).]

Nickudu has exactly twice as many posts as I, so he is to be believed twice as much as I, or I half as much as he!

With this post you might be recognizing my reluctance to go cut the lawn

There is an excellent and rather complete article on recoil in Any Shot You Want. What needs to be pointed out in this forum is that recoil energy is one thing but recoil velocity is quite another. This is the reason many look upon the .378 Wby as the ultimate gun from Hell. Not only is the energy high but it comes so fast that it loosens your fillings clear back to those baby teeth you put under the pillow when you were six!

Recoil pads should not only be thick but wide as well. And when you get the beast sighted in, get off the g*d****d bench! Recoil can be dealt with through the realization that you ain't gonna need no bughole groups, you ain't gonna shoot no bughole groups and it ain't important to shoot no bughole groups. Work up slow, a few shots at a time and when you can put five rounds down range into a 4" group at 75 yards off the shooting sticks, kneeling, sitting or (best of all) offhand, you're ready. It should take about six weeks at the most.

Sarge

Oldsarge is absolutely correct on this one. Recoil velocity is every bit an issue as ft-lbs. of recoil. Yes, the 378 Weatherby is the worst firearm for recoil I have ever fired...and I am including the 460 in that group. The speed that the bugger comes back is unbelievable. That being said, use a pad for the bench and don't worry about the recoil while hunting...you won't feel it anywhere near as much. Gary.

Lots of good comments.

Felt-recoil is greatly influenced by stock dimensions, rifle weight, bullet weight, powder charge, recoil velocity, etc........

I agree with Mike in that I can't shoot a .416 Remington as well as a .375 H&H or a .338 Winchester. I'll also say that my .416 Remington is easier to shoot well than my .458 Winchester is.

My general feeling is that anyone who can shoot the .375 H&H without flinching and with precision can learn to shoot a .416 Remington without a great deal of effort. The .416 isn't THAT much worse in the recoil department than the .375, and it's quite shootable in view of what it provides in the way of performance.

AD

I took my son (20 yrs.) to the range yesterday to see if he could tolerate the recoil of the new Mod 70 .375 H&H before we leave for Africa. He has almost zero experience shooting centerfire rifle.

The .375 was rocking him pretty good, so I let him shoot the .300 Winmag, a Tikka Mod 695. After two shots, he said "Give me the .375 back - I don't like this!"

I didn't tell him before he shot it, but I agree with him...

Rick.

The only problem with any gun that dishes out alot of recoil is the overwhelming concern with developing a flinch. Once you do and become afraid of the gun it can and most likely will effect your shooting forever. I've seen it happen to two good friends and have been extremely meticulous about going to personal extremes with heavy recoiling rifles to not let this happen to me. So far no problems, but it only takes one good scope cut to wreck your shooting. Properly designed, even obsenely powerfull rifles like the 585 NYATI, 500A2, .50BMG can be shot with confidence. Improperly designed rifles like six pound .300 wby's scare me and I won't shoot them. Shooting and hunting are supposed to be fun right?-Rob

Mine has more of a "gentle push" than a "kick." On the other hand, mine weighs 12 pounds, too.

My .375 H&H Magnum, on the other hand, is going to be "light" when it's done. I don't expect load development to be enjoyable.

Russ

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"Out here, 'due process' is a bullet!" -- John Wayne, "The Green Berets"

I dont own a .416 but ive shot them. For me its not that bad but it is the first caliber I'd say has "elevated recoil". Everything else between a 7mm-Mag up to a .375 H&H I'd say they feel somewhat the same, depending on the individual rifle type.

I dont shoot a lot of big bores so, unlike many here, maybe we are comparable Tanoose. On one hand I'd say the .416 RM-400grn's has a noticably stouter recoil then any lesser rounds ; It also is very learnable for any guy who has shot a bit. If you have no problem with a .338 or .375 you can learn to shoot a .416.

Its also the biggest round I ever want, or need, to aquire. I dont want to bounce my head against anything bigger. And dont need to...........good shooting............J