Wuff, where did all this crap come from?



If this "stuff" is a representative sample of what was going on over at the Marlin Lever Gun site, then Marlin did well to shut it down -- poor public relations -- a corporate embarassment. Now they're refugees without a home, washed up on accuratereloading's shores looking for a home and forgot to bring their manners....



Perhaps, Saeed will open up a "Johnny Six Pack BS Forum" for our new guests, as this drivel certainly deserves no place whatsoever on the African Hunting forum. What makes this forum special is that it is rightly and necessarily "ruled" by the ones who have "walked the walk". In light of the high-stakes, no margin for error nature of African dangerous/big game hunting there is no room for pretenders. If you have BEEN THERE and DONE IT then tell your story. If you HAVEN'T BEEN THERE and you HAVEN'T DONE IT, then we don't care what you praise or shoot -- sit down here with me, shut up, and listen -- you might learn enough to go one day.



BTW, each whack you take at Ray Atkinson you're just digging yourself deeper -- you're way out of your league there.



Good Luck and Good Hunting,

EKM

Elkamp.

I for one am done with my rants, however Ray made some pretty negative comments against Mr. Garrett's business.
What goes around comes around.

The wrong has been righted and I am done proselytizing.

Good day to you Sir.
C

Elkkamp,
I will let you in on the deal here. Carmelo started this thread to get the goat of a troll named Chuckwagon as the debate was highjacking another thread that was closely named to this one. We followed him over here to AR from another site where he was trashing some good folks over there and got banned for his behavior that was exceptionaly tasteless regardless of what he says and then came over here trashing our site. Some of us took that personally. If you go back and read the thread here and at the other thread you will see that. I tried to stay on topic on the other thread after Bill got after us even though Chuckwagon got us going again over there. I don't know why Atkinson came over here but I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't catch what was going on. The only thing I took exception with Atkinson about was his comment that only a "dumbass" would use the .45-70. He has the right to think differenly than us but when you start personally affronting people, well that kind of gets the ball rolling, and as far as leagues go none of us really know each other do we? I iamgine we would ultimately disagree on the capabilities of a properly loaded .45-70 and thats fine.
As far as Jorge is concerned I don't know where he came from with his drivel about French Chateau and planes but he asked for it.
I will admit that I have not "been there done that" as you put it and have never hunted anything larger than the Elk here at home so I am perfectly willing to "sit down, shut up" and listen in and learn as I already have in between rattling Chuckwagons chain. This is a good site and no matter how I ended up here I'm glad I found it. You guys have a lot of good information here.
I hope this clears this up for some of you guys and sorry if we trashed your place. I know we didn't like it when ChuckWagon did it to us so I can see your point. We just tried to keep it over hear on this thread.
BTW I was never at MT although I would have liked to before it went as Marlins are a favorite of mine.

SH: I should have known better. Your analogy of the Sopwith Camel vs the P-51 proves my point so "C" fits perfectly with you. I was not comparing the 45/70 to a 22 short, but rather the analogy tht just because it can be done, it's not nessesarily the best of safest way. Apparently the analogy escaped your logic. As far as the French wine goes, again it was just for a little "sophomoric" jest. Comparing the American Bison to an Africa Cape Buffalo I don't think is a fair comparison. I son't have a problem with you folks that want to try the 45/70, but try to tell dolks here with LOTS of african experience that it is the equivalent of an express cartridge. jorge

I would disagree with your explanation of your initial post as injecting humor. After rereading what you said to see if I misread I still say you were making insults and you were at the least classifying (albeit loosely) anyone who would use a .45-70 in the same class as one who would use a .22 short. If all you were intending was a sophomoric jest you certainly could have been a little clearer on that part. At least take responsibility and this can end on a good note.
It may not be the best tool for the job but it has at least been proven to me to do the job well and is infinately superior to the .22 short. there are at least three levels here,
1. The ideal
2.Getting the job done
3.Last resort
Personally I would put the .45-70 in #2 spot from what I've read here and elsewhere and my own experiences here at home, but as stated previosly I havent been there and done it so I'll admit I have small say.
As far as compareing the Bison with an African Buffalo, I was only talking about the .45-70 not comparing. Be that as it may someone more knowledgeable elsewhere on this site actually did, however having actually ridden herd on buffalo in my neighbors pasture with a truck I can assure you these are not cows and nobody in thier right mind would approach one. I have personally watched one on numerous occasions walk up to a fence and hop it like it was not there and all the ranchers around here use trucks and very fast 4-wheelers to herd them around as they can easily out run and out turn a horse. They will run right through barbed wire like it was not there and the only reason they stay in a pasture is because they feel like it and the ranchers throw grain cakes to them. Yellowstone park has billboards warning visitors not to approach them as they look very docile but are EXTREMELY unpredictable.

All Bs getting set aside now their is a post I can mostly agree with. The 45-70 or any lever gun would make a fine second choice especially for close quarters plains game. I often travel with my Marlin 44 mag and Buffalo Bore cast bullets as a back up or fun gun. What you say about the Bison is indeed true. This makes it a prime species for some one to test their big bores on. On top of which it does not cost a small fortune to kill and provides the hunter with a lot of good steaks and a fine trophy to boot.

Also as to Buffalo, when packing in the backcountry of Yellowstone I personally saw ONE buffalo bull run off FOUR very large bull moose that had just walked by within 25 yards of our camp making us very nervous since you are not allowed firearms there and they were all at least 8 feet at the shoulder.

Hey 500 Grain.
You had the opportunity to give it a rest.
Why not do just that.
Don't make others suffer for your own lameness.
Let it ago.
C

Funny, my screen says:

*** You are ignoring this user ***

500grains,

After a year and a half here, I have never felt the ultimate need to activate the "ignore user" button and have simply stepped around what rare bit of sewage that was encounted, but in this case I have to follow your lead and make an exception.....

For any of you out there that want to reduce the "stench", it is easy. Just go up to "user list" work your way down to "Offending Username" and toggle them off -- cleans things right up!

Now, my screen also says,

*** You are ignoring this user ***

Good Luck and Good Hunting,
EKM

Elkampmaster,

I hope you will stay around. The ignore user button seems to be helping my frayed nerves...