An Interesting perspective:

Let Africa Sink

Also checkout: The Pussification of the Western Male


Kim Dutoit. Com

Quite an interesting article. Mostly I tend to agree with the overview of Du Toit.

Now this is my brief perspective which of cource most liberals will not like, but you know the truth hurts sometimes.

Africa is very complex and tribal to the extreme and mostly (white liberal foreign governments) believe they have all the answers and one of the most common beliefs they have is to just POUR in your Westerners hard earned tax dollars and the problem will be kept in check. WRONG, your hard earned tax dollars in the main go to prop up the failed regimes whom DONT give a rats tail about their people ONLY to stay in power and pray upon the sympathy of those misguided do gooders ( fools ) in the west whom cant see the wood for the trees.

IMHO the way forward is NOT to throw money at the problem BUT to get rid of the dictators whom are suppressing their own people by force, and manipulating a lot of soft touch westerners by stealth. The white elephant bodies and aid agencies that have been created by liberal thinking people are not the answer, the beaurocracy and costs to run these bodies are horrendous and open to massive fraud and abuse. The UN is one of the best cases to prove a point. The sooner we all wake up to the fact that the problem will only begin to be solved when the likes of Mugabe and henchmen are removed from power by whatever means justifies the end the better.

Dont be conned by liberal thinkers whom believe in dialogue to solve the problem, dialogue only works from a base of strength.

The case in Darfur is a prime example of diplomats (pissing around ) for months without getting anything concrete done and the multitudes stave and die because no SOB government have the will to say enough is enough. Delegation after delegation tramps the earth of Africa tells us there is widespead genocide and the likes and what do our governments do, pour in money and food and they dont go to the heart of the problem which is the government which is in POWER

I arrest my case your hounour

Peter

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After living and working in Africa since 1977 (with 15 years as a resident in 4 African countries) and continuing to do so, I think a good case can be made for no intervention in "solving" the problems there. I would base this on looking at European history, at least from the standpoint of "solving" problems of Western society. When you don't solve them yourself, the problems aren't really solved. Force can minimize the negative effects as long as it is sustained by the "enforcers" and accepted by the "enforcees" but one of the two groups usually has a change of heart and it's back to the original problem. When there is no consensus on the "rules" of conflict resolution, you don't have civilization. Africa, by that definition at least, is uncivilized and it's not the only place where this is true. Where the rule of law is nonexistant, it is uncivilized. Africa qualifies in spades. For my simple mind, where there is no rule of law and where there is no consensus on at least the rules of conflict resolution, only force allows a semblance of order where that force can be projected and sustained. So you are forced to choose between neo-colonial intervention, and its accompanying force, or hands-off and let the locals figure it out for themselves. The first approach was already tried and the "enforcers" tired of the expense and the sacrifice. Africa wins.

Hardly anything new here!

It has been my firm conviction that they consider their own lives precious but they'll kill anyone else with impunity. And it ain't just in Africa!

Tribal law rocks!

"Pussification of the western male" was very entertaining. I agree with the author on most of the articles content.
But please do not make the mistake he does, believing, that most europeans are pussified. he has not been to scandinavia yet , it seems.

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Originally posted by Niels:
"Pussification of the western male" was very entertaining. I agree with the author on most of the articles content.
But please do not make the mistake he does, believing, that most europeans are pussified. he has not been to scandinavia yet , it seems.

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Niels, I'm not sure that I can agree with you. Unfortunalty. The "pussification" has begun here too.

Btw, the author has a lot of valid points, and as my wife and I told pretty much everyone we know after returning from our extended stay in africa; most of the "aid/help" does more damage than good. This after much first hand experiance with NGOs, UN personell, missionaries etc. that we met underway, and their projects. It's just too bad that our PC society chooses to ignore reality...

How do we reverse "pussification" - "cockification"?

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Originally posted by NitroX:
How do we reverse "pussification" - "cockification"?

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NO! "Cockification" is what the women are under a pusification of males! In the USA most men under the age of 40, carry their balls in the wife's purse! SHUSH, my wife just walked in the front door! SHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!

The increase in the wimp population is an interesting topic; it scares the hell out of me because I didn't grow up in an atmosphere nor an era where any of this was obvious to me and didn't know it was happening. Most of the men in my family for the last 3 generations have been in the US Army and I was the first to break the chain, joined the Peace Corps and spent three years in the bush in the Central Africa Empire (yeah, Bokassa was the "Emperor" in those days) building veterinary clinics and primary schools. My father (Lt. in the 1st Infantry Division, Omaha Beach, Silver Star, etc) thought I was nuts. He thought it would be dangerous. Ironic coming from a guy who picked up pieces of friends and put them in plastic bags after Kasserine pass. What's my point? A lot of so-called real men out there think that doing something with an element of danger makes them a real man when most of the time it justs means they aren't too smart and think that doing something stupid is proof of their manhood. Guys like my Dad never, I mean never, talk about what they had to do, but dammit they did it. A real man.

"There is a bloody brave little animal in Africa called the honey badger. It may be the meanest animal in the world. It kills for malice and for sport, and it does not go for the jugular - it goes straight for the groin. It has a hell of a lot in common with the modern American woman."

from The Honey Badger (1965) by Robert Ruark

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Originally posted by Nickudu:
An Interesting perspective:

http://www.kimdutoit.com/currentaffairs/LetAfricaind.htm

Also checkout: http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/essays.php?id=P2327

http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php

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One of the hardest lessons in life is learning that most of the time there is nothing you can do but, perhaps, defend yourself and yours. And yours in most cases means your young children.

To help others, in most cases, teaches them to rely on others and not take care of themselves.

While I am a firm believer in helping others, help must be real and true, and much of that has to do with the person getting help.

To be able to help, one must first take care of themselves. With the excess, you take care of your own. With the excess from that, you can help others. If you don't do the first one, you can't do any of the others.

Help many times means aiding someone to understand the previous thought.

"Pussification" in many cases is believing you are "owed" by others. Throwing money at a problem in many cases just lubricates the slide down.

As always, JMHO.

"The Pussification of the American Male" was right-friggin-on! And the best line in the whole piece is that Condi Rice is more of a real man than "those asswipes Colin Powell and Norman Mineta".

Tango victor mike for posting it, Nick.

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Originally posted by Clifton Clowers:
And the best line in the whole piece is that Condi Rice is more of a real man than "those asswipes Colin Powell and Norman Mineta".

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I'm not interested at all in US politics but she does lie and kiss arse better, if that is what makes a man.

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Originally posted by BFaucett:
"There is a bloody brave little animal in Africa called the honey badger. It may be the meanest animal in the world. It kills for malice and for sport, and it does not go for the jugular - it goes straight for the groin. It has a hell of a lot in common with the modern American woman."

from _The Honey Badger_ (1965) by Robert Ruark

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I love it.

I'm with you, Clifton.

You can see by NitroX's reply about Condi Rice how the liberal media in the US and abroad are in bed together.

The liberal media translates folllowing orders from your boss (Bush) as lying and kissing ass.

Thank God for Fox News.

Kim's article is interesting but I don't think he's thought things over as to the REAL reason for the softening of men. While I am no youngster, I remember as a kid the schools wanted to put ME on Ritalin. Fortunately my mother told them to take a flying ----. None of my brothers were forced into taking it either, thanks to MOM!

Personally, I think city living, urban life, has been the real factor in the "demise" of males. It's an underbelly-soft and mushy life. Just my theory. But urbanization began in the beginning of the 20th Century. I abhor it. Living mushy makes one mushy.

Apparently, as a female, I don't fit into the present or past world, judging by this article. I hunt, shoot, fish, own a hunting labrador (OK, SHE is a female as well), run my own farm (populated by mostly female animals), operate heavy machinery (God I love plowing snow with my Massey Ferguson! No sissy snow blowers here) and cut my own firewood. And I am a cop and have a vegetarian boss.

Now, back to Africa, there is a big spotted cat with my name on it this year....... I will pull the trigger on it myself.

Will somebody please pass me a gin and tonic?

Generalizations only from Kim Dutoit, Anne ..

Anyone who thinks it through will agree the chances of survival of sporthunting in this country are bolstered, immeasurably, via the active participation of women. In fact, I can think of no more powerful message to the silent majority.

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Originally posted by Will:
You can see by NitroX's reply about Condi Rice how the liberal media in the US and abroad are in bed together.

The liberal media translates folllowing orders from your boss (Bush) as lying and kissing ass.

Thank God for Fox News.

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Who cares!

I though the "pussification" article was BS and I dislike the type of language used. I think that most people can make their point without obscenities, if you can't, it is perhaps more of a reflection of you than on anything else. Last night someone passed me (in my car) and "gave me the finger" as he went by. I guess he thought I made him slow down, or offended him in some way. I guess insted of ignoring him I should have pulled out my concealed weapon and blown him away for insulting me. That way everyone would know that I am a real man.
peter.

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I though the "pussification" article was BS and I dislike the type of language used. I think that most people can make their point without obscenities, if you can't, it is perhaps more of a reflection of you than on anything else. Last night someone passed me (in my car) and "gave me the finger" as he went by. I guess he thought I made him slow down, or offended him in some way. I guess insted of ignoring him I should have pulled out my concealed weapon and blown him away for insulting me. That way everyone would know that I am a real man.
peter.

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Huh?

lawndart

For all the Ruark fans out there, pick up a copy of "Women" by N.C.'s famous son.......good stuff.

Thanks for the read Nick.

Joe

As a co founder of the H.M.W.H.C. about a quarter of a century ago, and still wearing my helmet with horns every now and then, I treat my wife and mother with respect and I expect them to do the same to me.

The problem is that the goverment and politicians are trying to please the majority, and as a consequence of that, all decisions will be of the lowest commen denominator, and everything turns into grey.

I believe we have to take a stand, and hold it!

H.M.W.H.C.
Heimann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Kim's article is interesting but I don't think he's thought things over as to the REAL reason for the softening of men. While I am no youngster, I remember as a kid the schools wanted to put ME on Ritalin. Fortunately my mother told them to take a flying ----. None of my brothers were forced into taking it either, thanks to MOM!

Personally, I think city living, urban life, has been the real factor in the "demise" of males. It's an underbelly-soft and mushy life. Just my theory. But urbanization began in the beginning of the 20th Century. I abhor it. Living mushy makes one mushy.

Apparently, as a female, I don't fit into the present or past world, judging by this article. I hunt, shoot, fish, own a hunting labrador (OK, SHE is a female as well), run my own farm (populated by mostly female animals), operate heavy machinery (God I love plowing snow with my Massey Ferguson! No sissy snow blowers here) and cut my own firewood. And I am a cop and have a vegetarian boss.

Now, back to Africa, there is a big spotted cat with my name on it this year....... I will pull the trigger on it myself.

Will somebody please pass me a gin and tonic?

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Ann, there is a (natural?) tendency to make this a gender thing, and to some extent it is. Personally, I think that it boils down real quick to knowing that you have a personal responcibility for how you face life, deal with life, and you can't just make everything "their" fault, particularly in how you deal with it on a personal level, day to day. It may be "their" fault that it happened, but how you deal with it is yours.

Not being critical of you, but tequila is much better for you! Try three fingers of tequila and one finger of Kahlua, on the rocks.

Thanks for the advice, 8MM, I'll give that a try someday!

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Originally posted by Peter:
I though the "pussification" article was BS and I dislike the type of language used. I think that most people can make their point without obscenities, if you can't, it is perhaps more of a reflection of you than on anything else. Last night someone passed me (in my car) and "gave me the finger" as he went by. I guess he thought I made him slow down, or offended him in some way. I guess insted of ignoring him I should have pulled out my concealed weapon and blown him away for insulting me. That way everyone would know that I am a real man.
peter.

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So Peter, where do you store your nuts. Get sensitive somewhere else!

lb404 LMAO! allen