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27 June 2005, 08:26
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African Crisis27 June 2005, 08:39
500grainsquote:
It is estimated, that in less than a month Mugabe has destroyed 25% of the economy through this action.
With an official unemployment rate of 70% (and a real unemploymenr rate that is probably even higher), that makes it sound like things have pretty much ground to a halt.
If the private land could be put back into the hands of people with both capital and knowhow, and the rule of law restored, Zim could recover relatively quickly.
27 June 2005, 08:44
pharaoh2It's sad and infuriating what people do to people. I'll admit somthing here. Some of you will think I'm an animal. Some others MIGHT agree with me. I'm all for industrialized nations helping to rebuild after disasters. Also for helping to locate water and even help in agriculture. That's where I feel it should end. Giving money, as seen in the artical has no effect. Most of it goes to corupt officials, or managers. The money that does go to the people only helps them understand the rest of the world is there to give handouts. I feel that people should stick together, and form strength in numbers without fear of persicution. Than those people should learn the basics of providing for themselves. As the saying here goes, give a man a fish and he's no longer hungry for the day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll never go hungry again. Once the foundations for cultivating the land are in place, with help if need be, it's a good start. Raising livestock, harvesting roaming game and fishing will feed the hungry. Building homes off the land will provide shelter. Later, industrialization will come. It's happened like that on every corner of the globe. Instead of humanitarians giving into the easy ways of helping, which have proved don't work. They must realize the slow and painful way of helping these people is the only way to do any good in the long run. I'm aware of the AIDS epidemic. As well as other disease that runs rampant. But I belive with better hygine, clean water, (again, with some help) and proper food to build better immune systems, these are the only ways to truely help those which others are deeming unhelpable. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my venting, but I had to say it. God bless them all.
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27 June 2005, 09:09
invader66This will get WORSE. What are all these displaced people going to eat, drink, sleep etc.
I think Hell may be tuely comming to Zim. I spent alot of time in poor places. Not hunting and starving people is an ugly thing. Ugly
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27 June 2005, 10:46
475GuyThis kind of shit just makes me cry. You (gov. entity) just shovel billions now closer to trillions into a big black mawl with no end in sight. Where'd it go, into Swiss Bank Accounts.
Lo do they call to me,
They bid me take my place
among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
Where the brave may live forever.
The even bigger kicker is that SA doesn't complain. Gee, I wonder what that means for the future of SA?

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Mugabe's intent is to PUNISH the people for the election that he KNEW he lost and lost big. His strategy is to drive the whites out ( about 10K left but those are HARD CORE and will not leave) drive the blacks back into the bush and away from the cities and live high on the hog of the platinum/gold.chrome revenues until he dies. He has nothing to lose. I had a chance to drive around Bulawayo with my PH, John Sharp. HUGE fuel lines, but the city seemed to be operating and we had no problems eating at the various places with no problems. jorge
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28 June 2005, 01:49
Jeff WemmerDon't know the official stats but after some good dialog with several folks around the country, here's what I heard:
Unemployment hovering at around 90%
Inflation out of control.
20-25K whites still remain as residents.
Chinese investors pouring into country.
New Airport built by Koffi Annon's son!!!
Non existant fuel supplies.
Major government bank cash shortages.
That withstanding, not once did I or my group feel one bit threatened in any way by either the population / government-police.
I was alot more concerned for my well being during my trips to Bolivia - and even that really a non-issue.
Statistically you are far more risk by going to a major US city than you'd be in Zimbabwe!
Jeff
28 June 2005, 02:48
Gringo CazadorI think ole bad Bob is trying to lower inflation and unemployment by reducing the number of people.
Not sure what the Chinese are doing with respect to investment. Doesnt appear any other major power has much interest. You would think SA would look for support to keep it from spilling over, which it will.
Billy,
High in the shoulder
(we band of bubbas)
28 June 2005, 02:54
500grainsThe Chinese are there for minerals.
28 June 2005, 03:14
475GuyRED China has been filling a power vacuum that was left by all the Colonial powers. In the end, they'll reap big profits because they are helping these guys with Materiel(Arms/Ammunition) and manpower. Labor is cheap in China, just send a few hundred thou over to another country and they won't be missed.
Lo do they call to me,
They bid me take my place
among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
Where the brave may live forever.
28 June 2005, 16:46
huntingcatChinese merchants in Zambia and elsewhere are the buyers of poached ivory, rhino horn, exotic skins, gorilla parts, stolen gold, diamonds etc. from Mozambique, Malawi, Tanzania, Kenya. The pawnbrokers of sub saharan Africa.
28 June 2005, 19:34
Jeff WemmerTo paraphrase waht was stated previously; the Chinese are there because we are not. Sad but true.
The reality is that hunting will without a doubt suffer given their proclivity for exotic animal parts - ill gotten at that.
Better book your safaris to the countries affected by this "look east" policy soon! For in this case there ain't no level playing field!
JW