I had a contatc with the famous PH, Angelo Dacey, of Sudan Wildlife Safari Co.
www.sudanwlsaf.com
Mr. Dacey said after the peace of 9 January 2005 the hunt in south Sudan ( the famous Equatoria) will be reopened. He intend to start safaris in this regione as from January 2006.
At the moment Mr.Dacey is went in the south for make all necessary arrangements, meet with
the authorities and get our hunting areas etc., which will cover all four hunting regions: Savannah,
Savannah Woodland, Swamp and Forest. These will cover
all different game species found in south Sudan.
Asap he will come back he will give us more news about the development the situation.
I think this is a great news. Hunt in Equatoria will be a great adventure.

This is good news.

But it'll be interesting to hear how much game is actually left after the decades of lawlessness and poaching.

This sort of rumour seems to come ever year.

It would certainly be grate to see Sudan open up again for hunting, but, I would echo what my friend Erik has saiad; how much game is lafet?

Be aware that it is illegal for American Citzens to do business with the Sudanese Gov't. This would include buying licenses.
I know several American Hunters who were planning on being amoung the first in (with another company, not Mr. Dacey) that have aborted their plans in view of this State Department ruling.


Rich Elliott

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Originally posted by Rich Elliott:
Be aware that it is illegal for American Citzens to do business with the Sudanese Gov't. This would include buying licenses.

Thank you for the heads up.

Off course, the density of game after the war can be a problem. But the Sudan is the biggest country of Africa. I believe ther'are still oasis of peace where the game is abundant. However I'm curious to know the results of the Angelo's trip in the south.

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Originally posted by Rich Elliott:
Be aware that it is illegal for American Citzens to do business with the Sudanese Gov't. This would include buying licenses.
I know several American Hunters who were planning on being amoung the first in (with another company, not Mr. Dacey) that have aborted their plans in view of this State Department ruling.


Rich Elliott

As an American I would guess I shall never see that great area again. I went in the about 8 months after the 17 years war that started in about '56. Man -o- man I haven't seen anything close to it since. It may be gone forever, but years from '73 to '75 wiull last until the grave. What a time we had. There were bad things that happened as well, but they fade away when remembering the good. I'd do it all over in a heart beat. All I can say is those of you that missed out on it, missed a lot!

Best of luck to those of that can make the trip legal with your government.

Gents,

Sudan will be a great hunting destination. I've spent 20 weeks of the last two and a half years in Sudan with a British photographer friend preparing a photo book on the entire country (yes, we were in Darfur -- last September. Author Deborah Scroggins wrote about the trip in the January 2005 issue of Vogue -- the one with J. Lo on the cover!). I had spent two years there in the mid-90s at the U.S. Embassy.
Was at the Boma Plateau in April last year for the start of the white-eared Kob migration. Saw only a few thousand animals, but can't say if it was just because the rains had barely begun to the SW, or if they've been badly shot out. In 2003, photographed raw ivory in the market in SPLA-controlled Rumbek, suggesting poaching problems that IUCN documented recently are real. Have myself hunted dorcas gazelle some 250 km wnw of Omdurman with good success. Major problem: senior Saudis who come over to slaughter antelope on a large scale and take carcasses back in their refrigerated C-130s.

All that said, Sudan has three great hunting areas: the Red Sea Hills where Nubian Ibex are the particular quarry; the Boma National Park where hunting may become part of sustainable use; and Southern National Park closer to Chad, a massive area far from war, but known to be raided by poachers.

The rebel movement, SPLM, has a Wildlife Office as, of course, does the Government. The terms of the 9 Jan. 2005 Peace Accords will create a coalition government within the next few months. (A senior SPLM delegation is in Khartoum now to sort out the details.) Then we will need a serious census of game before trying to hunt in the South.

Meanwhile, Angelo Dacey has a hunting operation in the Red Sea Hills. As it is a private business, I see no worry with Treasury Foreign Assets Control on dealing with the northern government, nor Customs for import of trophies, but suggest you check first.
Regards, Tim

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Originally posted by Rich Elliott:
Be aware that it is illegal for American Citzens to do business with the Sudanese Gov't. This would include buying licenses.

Licenses? In North Africa? I have always found a pack of 30 cent cigarettes handed to the nearest guy with an AK-47 to be sufficient.
Seriously, I might be interested in a Nubian Ibex. I was visiting King Farouk's trophy room a couple of weeks ago and he must have had two or three dozen in there. Gorgeous animals!

Best,

JohnTheGreek

Are you guys not living in a DREAM WORLD ..... Sudan / Darfur etc are a political nightmare at this point in time and has been so for years, I presonally think it is a DREAM .... How about the CONGO seems like they are having some rebal shit there as well .... OG well it does make for an interesting POLITICAL DEBATE anyhow (-:

Peter

Peter,

What is happening in the Darfur region has little to do with what goes on in other regions of Sudan. Keep in mind that this country, when north and south is combined, is so big (about 2.5 million square km compaired to for example your old home country of Zambia which is "only" 3/4 million square km) that what happens in the north in one area doesn't necessarily affect what happens in the south.

If hunting is shortly to be allowed with the blessing of the SPLM, I would think that there wouldn't be much to worry about securitywise. And the same would go for hunting in the north if a green light is given by the govt. in Khartoum (which has been going on for some years now) At least not more than in some other west and central african countrys IMO. I would say that besides the time we spent crossing thru Darfur when the troubles were beginning, north Sudan was a relativly safe country during the month we were there. If I had the finances, I personally would be tempted to try out the south when it opens. Hoping of course that there is still a reasonable amount of game left...

As an example of what Erik is talking about, I don't believe Dacey ever discontinued his operation in the Red Sea Hills even during the difficulties elsewhere.

Best,

JohnTheGreek

Well I do hope I am proved to be the DREAMER and my sceptism is shot down in flames .... I will then bow down and kiss the ground in apology

I do wish for progress towards bona fide hunting again in the region. Mario please keep us posted as to when the FIRST HUNT is booked and we will follow progress with interest

Peter

I spent a few years in Uganda teaching long distance hti to park rangers in the north solely to combat Sudanese poachers, crossing the border in large parties of 30 to 40 men armed with RPG's and AK's. The damage they did to Uganda before and while I was there was astounding. If they used their same philosophy in Sudan, there cannot be much left to hunt. We would come up on areas where the poachers guttet their kills and there would easily be the remains of 1000 animals there, about half were just unusable carcasses from being overshot. I have friends in Sudan right now, working as civil rights watchdogs for the UN. There may be "peace" there right now, but this is one dangerous area my friends. Those poachers killed civillians in Uganda on a regular basis, and you have heard the stories aboutwhat these same guys were doing at home. If you think they calmed down and are all just happy folk sitting back with smiles on their faces-got news for you...

hhmag,

We had the same situation in SW Ethiopia during the elephant hunting days. Sudanese refugees down in the lower, open lands pretty well did in everything that was edible. I even found gill nets across small rivers. In the spring of 1989 we found a some Sudan bohor reedbuck, few herds of Lelwell Hartebeest and an occasional roan. Always 400 yards away and running. In August of 1989 I went back. Saw an oribi and that was it! Some of the flood plains (like Gambella area) are okay because people can't exist there year round. Should be the same for the swamps in Southern Sudan but who knows?

Rich Elliott

This BOOK might be interesting to those wanting to experience the old days of hunting in Zambia AND Sudan

Hunting in Zambia & Sudan

Peter