Russ:

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And I have spent almost 30 years of my life in Africa, none in Tanzania though.

You ought to try it some day but don't leave it too long.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Zim PH's go there because they can make a lot more money, since tip is generally figured on the basis of a percentage of daily rate- and daily rate is MUCH higher in Tz. am i wrong? and i didn't set the word "trap" in the headline- the original poster did. nice try though.

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I re-read, and it still sounds pretty much like you wholeheartedly agree that TZ is a "trap".

FWIW: The few Zim/SA PHs I do know (that work in TZ) have privatly told me: "TZ is The real wild Africa, great hunting...lots variety of game". They especially all love the Selous. This does not really jibe with what you are saying. from other things they have told me perhaps the political climate (taking away farms & hunting areas) also has something to do with it? I dont know. What I do know: I dont think money is the main reason as you claim.

Majority of my clients are very experienced; have hunted in several African countries and each & every one has told me they enjoyed hunting TZ better. Now I am not trying to knock any other countries. All have good points & bad. I am stating that I believe tz wilder & better hunting. That's just my opinion. I do agree TZ is getting quite expensive, and I wish the Gov would keep the prices down for both clients & outfitters alike.

Sounds like maybe you had a bad hunt outfitter in TZ and have an axe to grind??

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levdm, by all means talk to your pal and if he tells you something different, ask him why he lied on camera. I am surely not the only guy who saw this documentary.

Possibly...we could be talking about 2 different shows...as I don't recall Nigel saying anything negative about ivory in Tanzania in the show he was in.

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
You are right, I am no expert on Tanzania. Always assumed the hunting was top notch though based on the prices. That's why the documentary I watched really struck me. In that many days at $2K plus per day, to not see a shootable elephant? Wow.

Aaron from Littleton CO, I do resent your insinuation, and I consider it a cheap shot to try to boost your own credibility at my expense. I have spent almost 30 years of my life in Africa. How much time have you spent in Africa? I suspect my 30 years there is longer than you have been alive, judging from the maturity of your post. Since you bring this up, please do post your Africa resume online for all to see. And while you are at it, you should probably also declare whether you do represent outfitters in Tanzania, just so we all know where you are coming from.

Russ - My post was not intended to be rude, or boost my credibility at your expense. If it appeared that way, I apologize. My point was, why post negative comments about a place you've never been to, nor have any personal experience with? The particular elephant hunt you refer to, I have zero knowledge of, maybe they had bad luck, maybe bad timing, or maybe a bad area, who knows?? But to insinuate from one, second hand experience, that elephant hunting in TZ is bad, is not accurate. Secondly, anyone who knows anything about TZ and the lion, knows Tanzania currently boasts the largest and most widely distributed lion population across eastern/southern Africa. Again, not every block is good, and populations differ from region to region, but overall, TZ lion hunting is quite good! For example, Tanzania has roughly 185,000km2 of hunting blocks/territory across the country, compared to roughly 40,000km2 in Zim. I love Zim, and I think it has some great hunting as well. But comparing the two, is not comparing apples to apples!

As for my African resume, I'm sure its meager compared to your 30 yrs in Africa. I have only 24 DG/PG safaris under my belt, to include 8 different countries, 34 DG animals, roughly 50 African species, another 21-day safari in C.A.R. in 4 weeks, and a current Tanzania Professional Hunter's License. I wasn't trying to compare resumes, I was just trying to understand your post?

Yes, I currently represent hunts in TZ, and think it has some wondeful hunting opportunities. I also think some of us have gotten ahead of ourselves, as it pertains to more price hikes, and speculating on the outcome, before any of the facts have been set in stone!

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:

Aaron from Littleton CO, I do resent your insinuation, and I consider it a cheap shot to try to boost your own credibility at my expense. I have spent almost 30 years of my life in Africa. How much time have you spent in Africa? I suspect my 30 years there is longer than you have been alive, judging from the maturity of your post. Since you bring this up, please do post your Africa resume online for all to see.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
As for my African resume, I'm sure its meager compared to your 30 yrs in Africa. I have only 24 DG/PG safaris under my belt, to include 8 different countries, 34 DG animals, roughly 50 African species, another 21-day safari in C.A.R. in 4 weeks, and a current Tanzania Professional Hunter's License. I wasn't trying to compare resumes, I was just trying to understand your post?

Hey Russ, hows your foot taste?

It's quite straightforward Aaron. Nothing hard to understand at all. Just reporting two reliable data points regarding the quality of hunting in Tanzania, in contrast to the press release touting Tanzania as the primo country against a backdrop of increasing fees. No doubt there are "prime" areas in Tanzania, as well as marginal areas (anyone remember Duxdog's report of his buff hunt in Tanzania, or the other guy whose name I don't recall, whose gear was stolen out of his tent? Or the numerous reports of shakedowns at the airport.)

Just trying to provide some balance to the discussion. You are clearly biased on the other side.

And your "sometime wonder" statement was clearly a putdown. Cite the other instances where I have posted info that causes you to "sometimes" wonder. You insinuated that I know nothing of Africa, and have never hunted there.

But since you offered, I accept your apology.

Touche on the resume. You have done more than most and if you have a TZ PH licence, I guess I will defer to your knowledge of that country.

Drummond, I see you are neighbors with Aaron. I don't know how my foot tastes. How does Aaron's ass taste?

Drummond, I see you are neighbors with Aaron. I don't know how my foot tastes. How does Aaron's ass taste?[/QUOTE]

Is this what passes for intelligent conversation these days?

Jeff

I doubt raising rates in a recession will be a viable strategy, regardless of the quality of the experience offered.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
Drummond, I see you are neighbors with Aaron. I don't know how my foot tastes. How does Aaron's ass taste?

Is this what passes for intelligent conversation these days?

Jeff

I have to give credit where credit is due, that was pretty funny! That being said, I find it humerous when a guy calls somebody out and it backfires, like what just happened to Russ.

And Russ, I'm not an "ass kisser", I just know Aarons experience and when you called it into question I had a good chuckle.

There should frequently be a little more civility on some of the posts.