Roy carries a left hand bolt action with a heavy barrel and iron sights. I have not been able to make out the details on this rifle. What action is it based on? What cartridge does this rifle chamber? Are there any other Stopping Rifles that Roy uses?

What cartridges does Roy Vincent consider worthy of backup use when accompanying Saeed, past, present or future?

What bullet weights and types at what velocities does he tend to use?

Does he use any standard factory cartridges or just hand loads?

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DaggaRon
RAB

[This message has been edited by R. A. Berry (edited 12-08-2001).]

I think Roy never has to shoot since Saeed clearly is a very capable marksman!

"Elephant, 375/404, 300 Gr Barnes Mono Solid, 30 Yards," the first one after "Elephant Charge." There is different one of the same title lower down the list.

I went back and reviewed this. The backup shot was also a brain shot, first Saeed, then Roy, in rapid succession: boom-boom, that fast.

The elephant collapsed straight away as dust puffed off his forehead from the classic frontal brain shot.

One question for Saeed: What load did Roy fire at the elephant that day?

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DaggaRon
RAB

Roy did not fire a backup shot at the elephant this year. He did on some of them on previous years.

We have quite a bit of fun with Roy. Him being a serious PH. His top priority is to make sure his clients - this includes Walter are always safe and have a great time hunting.

Sadly, this is not one of our priorities. As you are probably aware by now, anything else but playing nasty tricks on everyone around is not considered a priority amongst us.

Roy uses a 460 Weatherby, 416 Weatherby and the 450 Vincent. He normally loads them to their maximum.

In 1993, a year Walter calls the "war year". This will become apparent as you read this story.

We found a one tusk elephant which we decided to shoot. He was at a waterhole with 2 other elephants. We did not want to shoot him at the water hole, so we followed them into the bush as they fed after drnking.

Walter was left in the truck when we followed the elephants.

The elephants kept intermingling together, making it difficult for us to get downwind of the one we were after. Evetually, he stopped under a tree and we got closer to him. His head was behind the tree trunk, and he was rocking backwards and forwards as elephants do. Every few minutes, he would rock backwards far enough for me to take a side brain shot.

I know many of you will find this very difficult to believe, but I guarantee you this is EXACTLY how things happened.

Walter must have been about 300 yards away from us, and it was in late afternoon with almost no wind.

I was ready to fire at the elephant, when Walter did a great imitation of Tarzan The Ape man with a scream that could be heard about 2 miles away!

I fired at the elephant, and in stead of him dropping down as expected, he took off!

We ran after him, shooting as fast as we could load.

After 12 rounds have been fired at him by both Roy and myself, the elephant dropped.

I wa using a 416 Weatherby and Roy was using a 460 Weatherby. We looked at the elephant, and could see that my shot was well placed. It came out on the other side of his head after tumbling inside him, making a sideways hole through his head and ear. The bullet holes look as if the bullet should have gone straight through his brain, but of course that could not have been the case.

We went to get Walter, and found him holding my loaded 270 Ackley, and hiding in the bush! As we got closer to him he said: "Did you kill them all?"

I said: "Why can't you keep your bloody mouth shut? You scared the elephants!"

Walter: "Never mind the bloody elephants! I got scared when I heard all that shooting! I did not know you had so much ammo with you two."

Roy: "We only fired 12 shots, we still have plenty of ammo left."

Walter: "Mr. Vincent! You are deaf! I heard at least 200 shots!"

Saeed: "Hey Roy, how come you did not complain when I was shooting with the barrel right over your head?"

Roy: "I was not paying attention to that, I was trying to stop that elephant."

Walter: "You see, I know it does not bother him when you fire a shot with the muzzle next to his ears, he just likes to have an excuse to swear at you."

We cut up the elephant skull afterwards, and found that my bullet entered just ahead of the ear hole, started tumbling, went over the brain pan, came down again and went out of the other side of his head.

Bulletes seem to do the kost amazing thing when passing through animal flesh.

On another occasion, I fired at an elephant on a frontal shot, Roy fired at his hear, through the trunk.

The elephant dropped at my shot, and we found Roys bullet never reached the elephant's body!

It went into the trunk, turned sideways and went out of the side of the trunk, missing the body completely.

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saeed@ emirates.net.ae

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I seem to remember reading somewhere on your site that Roy also owned a 585 Nyati.

Mike

I suspect the video clip that I directed Gatehouse to is the one where Roy shot the elephant in the trunk, and the bullet veered off to the side, right after your dead on brain shot.

I supect that crazy solid bullet behavior could be cured with the GSC FN 300 grain .375 caliber bullet or the equivalent .416 or .458 of about 0.3 sectional density, at whatever velocity you want, the more the merrier!

Just trying to get a plug in for the 300gr/.375 FN&HV prototypes that Gerard should be working on.

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DaggaRon
RAB

Roy made himself a 585 Nyati. The stock broke, and he reinforced it with two steel plates on either side of the magazine!

He has not taken that rifle out while hunting with me.

I will try to find a photo of it and post it.

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saeed@ emirates.net.ae

www.accuratereloading.com

I suggest you get him a babysitter (a nice fraulein of 36-24-36 proportions would do nicely) to keep him occupied until you get back.

I see why you have to play practical jokes on Walter to get even. Or is it vice versa?

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DaggaRon
RAB

quote:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I was using a 416 Weatherby and Roy was using a 460 Weatherby. We looked at the elephant, and could see that my shot was well placed. It came out on the other side of his head after tumbling inside him, making a sideways hole through his head and ear. The bullet holes look as if the bullet should have gone straight through his brain, but of course that could not have been the case.

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Saeed, was that a Weatherby Mark V .416, or was it a .416 Weatherby built on a Mauser-type action? The reason that's important is that I'm sure the CRF crazies on this list will conclude that it was because you were using a Weatherby push-feed rifle (if indeed you were) that this bullet took its weird course!

[This message has been edited by LE270 (edited 12-09-2001).]

It was a Weatherby Mk V1

It was very shorted sighted of us not to notice the reason for our bullets tumbling and going sideways!

Now you mention it, both Roy's rifle and mine were Weatherby MkV push feeds

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saeed@ emirates.net.ae

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